Dissapointing that it wasn’t seen through it is a different ship say to other carriers, not a fan of the island in the middle for taxing on both sides but i’m not qualifiied to criticise.
There may have been a 2nd oppertunity to see these made and that would have been in the mid 80’s, only one thing would have needed to have been changed.. this is alternative history but if RN had phantomised Eagle instead of Ark royal and used Ark Royal for parts Eagle because of the fact she had about 10 years more life in her could have served into the mid 80’s and if the RN had a conventional carrier in 1982 theres no chance in hell they’d have given up that capabilty, which would have resulted in a 2nd chance of the RAN getting a Vincy and SHar’s aswell
edit: i know Eagle was a fair bit older, but she was in better nick.
Seeing as it’s purely hypothetical we could alter the design of CVF to say, 860-880ft (about 261-268m) and 48000-54000tonnes capable of carrying 26-28 F-35b and 6 EH-101/ASaC and we’ll have 3 thank you very much also might be worth looking into E-2 with an uprated RR turboprop and whether it could get up off a skiramp and fitting arrestors to the carriers
10 T-45’s (3rd batch of 4, slightly extended comes with 64 VLS (+16 Aster ABM when available) room to fit another 16 if needed later)
8 C-1 (ASW/Helicopter cruiser, 540ft (just over 160m) 7400-8200T T45 hull based, 3 EH-101’s, 48 VLS
64x CAMM, 32x SCALP naval. 2087 TAS, advanced Hull mounted sonar, Artisan etc.)
large escort increasing plans would have to revolve around small cheap frigates which is C-2, effectively a modern Leander being of similar size(360<380ft) and in the 3500t region Export potential could be large, especially as a probable MEKO200 replacement and would be an extremely attractive proposition to those navies that have no need for the destroyer sized frigates entering service in the rest of western Europe at the moment and there is over 20 MEKO’s in service in a fair few different navies
in RN service these would be fitted for formidable ASW capabilities and easily capable of defending itself from missiles and aerial attack also plonk a couple of harpoon launchers on it. so armament would comprise of 32 CAMM, Stingray’s, 8 Harpoon AShM (some new builds, most ripped off of T23’s) not sure whether it would be feasible to have a hangar big enough for an EH-101 on such a small vessel. but definitely a deck big enough for one, effective Hull mounted sonar, likelihood of adding a formidable TAS in the future being high not sure about numbers but 16+ would be reasonable
C-3 based on C-2 hull, lesser armament bit lighter, capable of self defense from missiles etc. no hangar, large reconfig bay (not much to write about without going into too much depth and I’m a bit tired ATM) as far as numbers go I’ve no idea
possibility of 2 “50t gunboats” to be fielded on the above similar to CB2010 only with 81mm AMOS derivative(to retain commonality and 120mm supposedly doesn’t offer a great performance increase over 81mm yet 81mm offers a considerably higher RoF), Starstreak Launcher (covering both SAM and ATGM if she is as capable at that as originally thought), couple of 20mm guns and GPMG’s not sure if I’ve overloaded this and got carried away
^^ only an idea open to scrutiny
Regarding C-3 NOT these are not to replace Sanddown Minehunters, those would be replaced by a Catamaran Tupperware type vessel
Amphibs.. 2 more bay’s for the RFA please sir
also Ocean needs to be replaced by 2 LPH’s as a CVF can’t serve as an LPH far too expensive it would only cost about 500m to build 2 LPH lets say 800ft long displacing about 32000t to make it capable of playing with F35b’s aswell as a large helicopter force paired with a large EMF
i don’t think we need another Albion in the event of another cold war esp if we have the above
and there would be a possibility of reforming 41 Commando
Submerged fleet:
possibly the hardest and most expensive bit to build up we can’t afford to cover it all with Astutes or even 100% SSN’s for that matter so lets say:
8 Astutes, followed by 6 smaller cheaper SSK’s (we could work with the RAN on that as they’ll need Collins replacements at about the same time, every export helps[/tescos]) after which I’ll adopt the idea posted before of 6 SSBN/GN’s by the time that’s done it’d almost be time to replace the earlier astutes again
enlarge MARS project seems the easiest way to bump up RFA capabilities
Rotary wing is obviously larger in the above proposed fleet could look at the possibility of the FAA fielding some modified AAC Apache’s they do have folding wings, working against corrosion would be the major project, alternatively more FLynx’s for the FAA including some AH Variants, and lots and lots and lots of EH-101’s regardless
as there is a possibility of a high degree of commonality between RAN and RN in the above it might be easier to have Modified Canberra’s instead of large LPH’s i can only see a win win situation for both of us, only thing i don’t like about them is on all of the CGI’s the flight deck looks massively cramped
CIWS: I’ve not covered much on close range weapons and CIWS or softkill that is because 1: a review of the CIWS should take place either looking at replacing Phalanx with RAM (albeit i do begrudge spending so much on what are basically box launched 40 year old AAMS, so a CAMM derivative would be a possibility), or alot more goalkeepers which is again expensive seeing as we only have 15 in the MOD parts bin (well we will have when Vincies and T22B3’s are out of service) and I’m not sure if we can justify buying Millennium guns
and 2: I’m a bit lazy or it’s up for debate
Expect 155mm to be the gun of the fleet
i respect that what I’ve written might seem incomprehensible and unorganised and bloody long but if you’ve read it tell me what you think
BTW: Hi, only joined the forums for this section. been reading it for some time though.