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  • in reply to: Pilatus goes to war #2502937
    wake vortex
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    Good morning everyone. I checked out the Al Jazeera video and saw the Hip. Preusmanly one of the few helos that the Chadians have flying. There is also word on the street that the Sudanese Air Force have been providing air support for rebel operations in the east of the country.

    in reply to: Pilatus goes to war #2514880
    wake vortex
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    Let me ask a silly question…
    Why would the Swiss government sell armed aircraft to the Irish but be upset over Chad arming it’s aircraft?
    Aside from the fact that Chad might actually use the kit it bought?

    From what I understand, the issue seems to revole around export criteria. It’s possible that the Swiss have have some conditions that certain types of non-lethal kit can be sold to countries which may have large question marks hanging over them in terms of human rights and conflict, but not stuff that actually kills. This is much the same in the UK, remember the controversy with the Indonesian Hawks? The government in Jakarta promised that the Hawks would only be used for training purposes, but hey-presto they were then used for intimidating the East Timorese population according to the NGOs out there. Porblem is, once you sell the stuff, lethal or not, it beomces pretty difficult to control how it is used.

    in reply to: Pilatus goes to war #2519221
    wake vortex
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    In terms of ‘what all the fuss is about’, I understand that these aircraft were bought by Chad not for CAS purposes but for training. I gather that the deal to sell the aircraft was controversial in Switzerland anyway and news that they have been used in combat has got the government’s heckles up.

    in reply to: Mirage F1 #2521192
    wake vortex
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    Thanks to all who posted. I never realised that the type was in such widespread use. Seems to be going strong after all these years. Cool looking plane too. I found some good film of it flying in Africa on youtube. Worth a look if you’ve not already seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltc_dq_VXI

    in reply to: Rafale F4? #2538350
    wake vortex
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    Thanks to everyone who replied. The whole F4 question I find very interesting. Perhaps Dassault might speed up development as we move closer to the fielding of the F-35, but where will the cash come from? I guess F4 might also be a way to compete with Tranche 3 of Typhoon? That said, where is the market? OK, I’m biased. As an Englishman in France, I like the Rafale (I also like the Typhoon and want both aircraft to do really well on the sales front), but there is the perenial quesiton of the dollar-euro-pound exchange rates. Also, I think that the Americans can offer security guarantees and defence cooperaiton which may be more attractive to some would-be multi-role combat aircraft customers than us Europeans. Apart from India, Japan and Brazil, where are the future markets for both Rafale and Typhoon before the F-35 appears on the scene? The Mirage family sold well during the Cold War (and after), can Rafale fill its shoes?

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