Oscar, I’m fully with you, trust me on that one. I received a thorough “ticking off” from a few Forum members a couple weeks ago for expressing the *exact* same thing. However, being a mere enthusiast of 30+ years and neophyte pilot, apparently I haven’t earned the “right” to have such opinions.
I’m glad an experienced owner and operator such as yourself shares the same views.
Cheers, and keep’em flying! ๐
Lynn
Excellent news indeed! So the central spar was twisted (the Holmtrรคger), and the gear attachment brackets are toast as well; from memory, the spar is a built-up piece, not a cast item, so it may not be so difficult to produce a new one (but I may well be wrong there). I am positively shocked that the engine survived that thrashing without major damage…
Peter, I believe Sigi Knoll (one of the owners and the chief engine guru of the rebuild team) was at the controls… no idea whether he’d even WANT to fly it again after all he’s been through! Do we know yet what happened to cause the crash?
Lynn
Ooh, Oscar, yer in for it now! Watch for a nastygram from Mike J for such “heresy”… ๐
Lynn
Well done, Seafuryfan! I may be part of a wafer-thin minority on this board in preferring sedate displays to vigorous ones, but I applaud your initiative in discussing this with the pilot in a reasonable and ultimately productive manner.
Thanks, from a fellow warbird enthusiast…
Lynn
Hi Oleg-
The one I have is from 25 Aug 1944, I do not think it’s available from Hafner. As regards Russian 109 photos, there is a particular set I am *VERY* interested in, I will send you an email.
Thanks!
Lynn
Oleg, I’m in the midst of a 109 book project, and have all my sources close at hand; I’ll go through and see what I can find for you.
Do you have the Ersatzteilliste for the G-6?
Lynn
The merger you refer to took place in the early 30s, when Messerschmitt’s firm was combined with the remnants of Udet Flugzeugbau. The resultant company was incorporated as Bayerische Flugzeugwerke GmBH (Gesellschaft mit bauhaus… essentially a construction firm). As of July 1937, BFW became a publicly traded company as Messerschmitt AG (Aktien Gesellschaft). There was no “merger” at that time, per se, it was more a reorganization at the upper levels. As part of that, all subsequent Messerschmitt designs bore the initials “Me” (i.e. Me 210, Me 163, Me 262, etc). Anything designed PRIOR to the changeover to Messerschmitt AG would have borne the “Bf” identifier, for Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (i.e. Bf 108, Bf 109, Bf 110, Bf 162)
The documents prove that the aircraft was interchangably referred to as both the Bf 109 and Me 109 both within Messerschmitt AG and within operational units of the Luftwaffe by pilots and ground crew alike.
Doesn’t get much more solid than that, I think.
Lynn
But what about the hammerhead stall?! And will the Pete be at Legends?
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Sorry Moggy, didn’t see the earlier one, thanks for linking them up.
Lynn
Right, so who wants a Mossie and Spit video, then?
This is just… well, it’s just freakin’ amazing. It’s all in CGI… I shudder to think what this fellow could do with a full-length film, it would be positively mind-blowing.
The download is approximately 5 megabytes in size, but trust me… you’ll not regret waiting. ๐ฎ
Mosquito and Spitfire video by “tochy”
Oh, and be sure to have your speakers turned up, and warn the neighbors! ๐
Lynn
Macfire, thank you for understanding my point. And while Merlins are perfectly wonderful, the mean, raspy growl of a DB accompanied by that supercharger whine has no equal… it sounds as much like a Merlin as does your neighbor’s Toyota! ๐
BTW Moggy, Bf and Me are both perfectly acceptable, according to factory Messerschmitt documentation.
Article on The 109 Lair regarding Bf vs Me
Happy Messerschmitting… ๐
Lynn
I lived in the Ft. Walton Beach, FL area (in the Panhandle) for six years in the early 90s, and went through Opal, which was a borderline category 3 hurricane back in 94. Unless you’ve actually BEEN in one, it’s hard to comprehend steady 110+ MPH winds… I will confess to going outside our house and standing up and leaning into the wind at a very steep angle. After a few minutes of being nearly run through with high-speed raindrops, however, I managed to get enough synapses firing correctly to head back inside!
Flooding, on the other hand, is a disaster I hope to NEVER experience in my life…
Lynn
Certainly, I’ll explain it.
Unless things changed this year, the standard for a European or UK show such as Legends or LFA seems to involve rather dramatic displays of flying agility on the part of 60+ year old warbirds. I’m all for keeping them flying, but while they may have originally been designed to do such manouvers, they were also designed with a life expectancy measured in weeks or months at best.
The point of all this is that this exponentially increases the risk that the aircraft and pilot will merge with the landscape in a most unfortunate manner, and THAT is why I prefer what Ian calls the “tailchase” type display. Not as visually exciting as watching a Spitfire attempt a hammerhead stall (that’s called hyperbole, folks), but it’s easier on the airframes and gives a pilot more options if the mechanical bits decide to take a vacation whilst airborne.
And, being a diehard 109 nut who’s been fortunate enough to sit in 3579, anything that prolongs the flying life of that gorgeous bird is just fine with me.
Lynn
All well and good, provided it doesn’t get thrown around like a Pitts Special as seems normal for UK displays. I’d prefer to see it come back to this side of the pond completely intact, thanks very much.
Lynn
It was a Ryan STM…

I can’t help but laugh my butt off when the “Navy” pilots all gather round that wee peashooter and go on and on about how it would give the Luftwaffe what for…
Lynn
One bemusedly extended middle finger aimed in your direction, Mr. Snapper, for suckering me in with that headline… I was hoping to see something about another fantastic Hurri find, like Z5252!
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Lynn