Think at the airstrip or the catapult needed for such a launch!
Maybe is language difference , we used this term for conventional carrier when compared to the V/STOL or better STOVL ones
Stobar? It is not for Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery? Kutnetsov, Ljiaoing, Vikrimandyta?

Hmmm… looks like I’m wrong about there being no STOBAR carriers. I always assumed Kuznetsov used a catapult but apparently not.

If an INS worked that good without external updates, then there would never be a use for GPS, terrain maps, terminal guidance, etc.

You keep making all these performance claims that go against historical precedence and, quite frankly, logic.

Try backing up your claims with sources. No, your pdf talking about the gyro itself does not count as there are many other components that make up the system as a whole, each introducing deviations.

Sure there would, aircraft fly for much longer periods, especially larger ones, as do long-range cruise missiles, so drift would have more time to accumulate. Then you have other even longer operations, like space craft and satellites. Additionally, with certain targets, there may be a requirement to put a missile through the square window (to quote Rainbow:highly_amused:) or another weak point, e.g. a bunker door, hence DSMAC. I’ve also just posted a link which proves my point.

My guess is that AMRAAM has moved to GPS INS simply on the grounds of commonality with other weapons rather than accuracy.

I’m afraid my source does count, it also states the actual system requirement for the given applications, which is very low accuracy for SAMs if you note. You just don’t like being proved wrong, nor do you like admitting that Meteor might be better than an AIM-120D because it’s not made by the US, so you question range claims etc. none of which concerns were mentioned when you posted up this AARGM-ER range improvement graphic.

http://s18.postimg.org/xwx7vn8x5/AARGM_Er_Range_Extension.png

How very duplicitous of you.

Then after range, you moved on to bleat about INS type, which makes absolutely sod-all difference in this application.

Like I said, show me the GPS on LGM-118s and UGM-133s and then realise that the INS on them is over 30 years out-of-date. I can also tell you that the CEP requirements were much larger than the achieved CEP stated in IN COMBAT magazine 25 years ago.

First test of TALIOS pod.

Do you ever do research or use logic?

KEPD has GPS and uses imaging/radar references when GPS is not available (as does Storm Shadow). An AAM cruising up at 30k+ feet does not have any kind of external reference besides GPS (ie, no imaging possible), apples and oranges.

oh yeah, BS on 10m accuracy without GPS or any kind of terminal guidance (ie imaging, radar, etc) after a full length flight.

Okay, so it does.

That accuracy is perfectly possible with modern LRGs. Modern gyros in space application offer <0.001deg/hr, which is a lot better than the microradian (0.057deg) accuracy a fighter radar has when applied to a 320km flight range that’s going to last <5 minutes. Also note the accuracy requirements of SAM gyro.

https://www.asee.org/documents/sections/middle-atlantic/fall-2009/01-Evaluation-Of-Ring-Laser-And-Fiber-Optic-Gyroscope-Technology.pdf

Ring laser gyros and mechanical devices continue to dominate the high performance markets,
bias stability of 0.01 degrees per hour or better

Now please compute the following:

500 * sin([500/1000] * 0.001)

You do realise that ICBM warheads now manage accuracy in the tens of metres after a 10,000+km flight.

You can definitely fit 2. I believe it’s only the length of the bay that is affected, not the depth.

It’s certainly showcased as fitting.

https://mbdainc.com/mbda-showcases-its-missile-offering-on-f-35-on-farnborough-international-airshow-2016/

There is no fly zone over large areas of Syria now. You won’t hear Israelis again. they are the nearest. There is very narrow corridors where other flightsare permitted. Satellites can’t provide real time and Russia knows flight paths of satellites and can deal with camo from it.

In which reality are you living. There is no no-fly zone over Syria at present.

You don’t need real time, since the thing is sitting in one place and you could time a missile flight to coincide with a passing satellite.

Well it depends on how you conceive French interests I guess. If you think they extend to reliving the glory days of empire in Syria, then sure you need a carrier for that. A more limited conception (Western/Central Europe, North/West Africa) , maybe not.

Another factor is the one that JSR alluded to — the French Navy can hardly scrape together a single carrier battle group worthy of the name. Remove the carrier from the equation and the MN suddenly looks a lot more respectable.

Well I disagree and I think the evidence is how much they use it. And a carrier isn’t just there for launching aircraft, it also serves as a large transport vessel.

Actually, the longer the range the more of an error can be introduced from a traditional gyro-based INS. This is why GPS is an important addon as it maintains its accuracy no matter the range.

Also, Storm Shadow has no ability to be updated in flight, so its INS accuracy is paramount.

Nonsense, KEPD 350 manages fine without it and that’s a cruise missile, rated (conservatively IMO) at 500+km. Both KEPD 350 and Storm Shadow are capable of accuracy to within 10m even without the GPS or terminal homing and I hardly think 10m is going to make much of a difference given terminal homing. Furthermore GPS is vulnerable to jamming and can’t be relied on against a peer adversary.

Aside from that obvious nonsense, given the level of inaccuracy in determining the aircraft’s exact range/bearing/speed using radar, the error of an LRG is the least of your problems.