Let me intrude.

First, the MBDA Meteor Wiki page its one of the finest sources to gather information on this particular system, its vastly better than almost every single specialized press article that i´ve read, try it.
The MBDA Meteor specifications have never been publicly released, severall generic comments on range and NEZ have been made for more than a decade, and if you are relying on them to make a comparison with the “D”, than i would advise to use the one that was released this year and i quote: “Large No Escape Zone – several times that of current MRAAM“. Certainly they are not talking of the “B”…
file:///D:/Documents%20and%20Settings/xplfb28/My%20Documents/Downloads/Meteor-Product-Data-Sheet%20(1).pdf

On top of that, there´s one fact that almost everybody seems to forget, the “D” uses whats basicaly the same rocket that was used on the “C4”, its range gains have been by tweaking its flight profile. How big is the burn time of that particular rocket? I do seem to remember something ten or twelve seconds on Janes? Anyone has better data? Mercurius?
The Bayern Chemie ramjet has a burn time of “several minutes”.
Another point, if the Japanese show interest on a version of the Meteor to replace the AAM-4B,wich is quite a big weapon, that alone should be enough to temper coments about range and/or NEZ of the European AAM.

Indeed, just to expand on that:

http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/tag/meteor/

SEOUL — A newly developed airborne missile by European missile manufacturer MBDA will provide South Korea with “air superiority” over North Korea and other powerful neighbors if they are loaded onto the F-35 combat fighters to be delivered to the country in the coming years, the firm’s official said Tuesday.

Under a deal signed last year, South Korea will bring in 40 F-35A jet fighters, the fifth-generation platform with stealth capacities from Lockheed Martin, from 2018 to 2021 to better guard against North Korean threats.

The F-35A fleet will initially be equipped with the U.S.’ AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), but through software integration, the jet fighters could gain compatibility with MBDA’s new missile Meteor, export sales executive Leo Alfano said in a press roundtable in Seoul.

The most notable of Meteor’s functions is its superior no-escape zone, or operation range, which is about three times larger than that of the U.S. AMRAAM, Alfano said.

With Meteor’s expanded range, three combat jets equipped with the missiles could cover the entire length of the inter-Korean land border, which is more cost effective despite the higher per-unit price of the Meteor, according to the MBDA official.

Asked how many combat jets are needed to perform the same job with AMRAAM missiles, he said about a dozen will be needed.

This

We don’t know at this stage whether the same setup won’t apply to Meteors, which have an almost identical profile.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/meteor-missile-will-make-changes-to-accommodate-f35-0599/

Unless the S-400 is constantly moving around, everybody already knows where it is, making it an easy target.

^ AIM-120D allows more missiles to be carried compare to Meteor

Source?

From the Wiki

So the question is simple, what was the “then” AMRAAM in the mid to late ’90s in Europe? Answer, AIM-120B.

I am not saying that the AIM-120D has a larger NEZ than the Meteor, just that the NEZ of the Meteor (in the applicaiton of a “deep magazine” asset for 5th gen spotters) is not far enough to keep them immune to return fire.

btw, The D does not gain it’s expanded NEZ by simply “tweaking”, its flight profile, it changed the profile completely (yeah I know, not new motor yet post C4). Previous BVR AAMs relied on an INS that had to use gyroscopes to maintain its vector and to track the target. The longer the flight, the greater the deviation and lower the chance of intercept. The D introduces two technologies to counter that, a two way datalink and a GPS backed up INS. Now, the missile will know precisely where the target is, its vector, and its own location with much greater detail. It will also be able to relay that info back to friendlies in the area.

This ability to precisely know one’s location and the target’s location allows the D’s flight profile to take a much more arching path that serves two purposes, increased range and increased energy in the endgame (thanks to gravity).

Right…. and it gained 50+% range from that?

The Matra Super 530D, the Matra Super 530F, the BAE Sky Flash, the Selenia Aspide and the Matra MICA were all developed with those two goals (along with others) in mind, i dont see nothing particulary notorious that today´s European MRAAM was developed in part to maintain technical expertise and to avoid US restrictions.

Absolute garbage, the Skyflash was a modified AIM-7F.

There is nothing to rephrase, you are only making a fool outta yourself and I don’t have the time and energy to go all over your mess…you weren’t able to do what I have asked from you because your retarded theory can’t be applied successfully to Mig-29 climb chart.

And everything you have said in your last response to me is a pure reflection of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q

You are an artist :rolleyes:

Except I was right, Andraxxus claimed an actual climb rate of 345m/s based on that graph, which is wrong. And that’s as far as this debate needs to go.

The Meteor’s range is overstated.

Remember that it’s spec was to have tipple the NEZ of the AMRAAM-120B/C3. It’s performance vs the AIM-120D has not been stated.

That’s only your assertion in order to try and flog AIM-120Ds, the latest statement made in June 2014 said, three times the NEZ of the AMRAAM it replaces, which at time of writing was the AIM-120C-5.

http://s25.postimg.org/4qw3vyzov/going_digital_pg_3.jpg

The UK has had that version of AMRAAM since 2004.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aim-120-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missile-amraam/