any photos of kh-555?

As for the new Sov compared to other Chinese DDGs, I’d put it slightly ahead of 052B and way behind 052C. 051C’s entire configuration hasn’t come out yet, but I would say it has to be more advanced. You are not right in saying that the sonar and ASW on 956EM is better. Its weak ASW capability actually one of the limiting factors on 956. All the recent Chinese DDGs should be at least equipped with Towed Array sonar.

believe the new sov’s carry the VDS? as for chinese tas i havent seen any evidence these vessels have that looking at the design unless you have any evidence to the contrary. Also it doesnt make sense for them to have TAS considering 051C doesnt even a hanger for ASW helo’s. As for china having better ashm than moskit what are you talking about..

First of all you guys are assuming too many things. Reason for sovremenny purchase is mainly cost and capability.
The newly built sovremenny arent too expensive (1.4 bill for 2 vessels?) and that includes cost for newer moskit devolopment. 052C cost would have costed a lot more (billion+ IMO) even that doesnt have CIWS, main gun, sonar? or ASuW as capable as what sovremenny has. The 051C and 052B which are cheaper arent that capable as sovremenny-EM obviously. So in retrospect china doesnt really have ddg design that is capable of carrying moskit and more or less all those ddgs dont offer the multipurpose capabilities that new sovremenny offers.

yeap orekh has always been part of shtil system.

It’s the kombinirovannogo zenith rocket – artillery complex “chestnut”

lack of M is bit surpising since it finished certification trials in 03 IIRC.

The radar will be fregat M2EM in all likely hood and search radar for kashtan might be postiv or positiv phased array radar depending on whether its kashtan-m or not. As for main gun i thought it was supposed to be A-192?

wonderful the kids are at it again anyway

The exact number is the big 3

No thread has to be like that its the pople who make it like that. That you said these hings will happen you are thinking what to say already?

Why cant people just post numbers?

the designation of vessels for china and india are different, what PLAN classifies as frigate (jiangwei’s) are considered corvette’s by the IN and vessels like Luda are considered more of frigate than a destroyer. IN does have close to 11 large surface combatants under various phases of construction.

If, India is going to buy yet another fighter. It needs to move on to at least 4.5 Generation Type. (i.e. Typhoon, Rafale, etc.)

what are you talking about are you referring to the MRCA???

i don think so … Rafale is not a lifting body design like the MiG-29 or the Su-27s (neither is the F-18 to that extend) and that makes them to depend on their sheer thrust , whcih Rafakle don have enough, and i really doubt if thay cud take off from ski-jump … if there has been any ase of them haveing shown from ground based ones, i’d have considered the prospect of them taking off ….

it should be able to takeoff from ski jump only question is amount of payload it can carry. I dont think that was big of issue i believe reason it wasnt procued in the end was mainly due to price and maintenence issue.

Wrong. I hope, you ment gas-turbines fired by light-oil!

yeah ignore that post was typing up something else in fact (i forgot what i was going to say i think i was trying to compare the various prop systems) then i must i accidently hit submit before i finished typing it.

I somehow suspect that JSF will cost in the region of 60-70 million USD. We are talking of delivery dates of 2013 & not 2006 here, so inflation, escalation on R&D etc factors will increase its price.

Delivery dates are more like 2020 if you ask me.