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    My theory remains that the French at most COULD have provided software, testdata and engineering asistance. UNLIKE with LAVI, I have NOT EVER heard or read anything by anybody in relevant business or government that would indicate that the french assisted the Chinese in developing their CIWS.
    What sources/information/references can you present that would support your THEORY that China obtained any help from France in develping the Type 730? Without any evidence (and to make it easy for you I use that term loosely, in the broadest possible sense of the word) to support the theory why would anyone accept it as true? And mind you, I’m not expecting to find French or Chinese ‘official reports’. I’ll accept articles from industry publications (e.g. Janes) or think tanks (e.g. RAND) too. Even less than that.

    Considering how so many gun manufactures have failed to devolop to gatling gun based ciws dont u think its more than just conincidence that china managed to devolop identical to Gau-8/A while have far less experience than naval guns. Anyway You are not get much info about Type 730 atleast know it will takewhile before data about capabilities and whats based on to make it to the public.

    Honestly I doubt USN is worried that PLAN got its hands on that considering that currently has ak-630 and will soon recieve kashtan as well both of which are on par or better than the it.

    While i think it was based on satmos when i said “730 = samos” i meant to compare it in preformance not say that they were similar systems btw. Since satmos and 730 as well unlike goalkeeper dont carry a tracking radar so its performance its mainly based on capabilities of survellance radar (dont know what radar the surv. chinese use for Type 730).

    I think the Meroka is not so good and mature as those CIWSs I’ve mentioned above. Its calibre and fire rate are not so powerful as Palma/Kashtan/AK630/GoalKeeper, and its fire control technology are primitive compares to the phalanx.

    It was designed to have hi muzzle velocity higher than any of those systems you mentioned FYI.

    Added: Anyway got a pdf brochure of Palma if anyones intrested will take a screenshot of it and post it here. There is nothing new in there thou.

    in reply to: How to get contract info (price) of such CIWS? #2043741
    JonS
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    this similar to the thread u posted earliar on CIWS both of them should be merged.
    Anyway from top of my head
    Phalanx orginal costs around 5 million (not adj for inflation), costs around 4.5 million to upg orginal to 1B. Based on recent order i believe cost of
    Phalanx 1b is around ~ 9.5 million $.
    Goalkeeper ~ 11 million euros
    Kashtan ~ 20 million $?

    in reply to: Eurofighter vs. … #2627996
    JonS
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    is it just me or is F-15 seem to be losing a lot of mock battles these days , couble this be politically fixed by USAF in order to push for F-22?

    JonS
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    I doubt you ever see any offical reports pointing to Type-730 and French Samos its just like the lavi-J-10 connection. As with latter its not direct copy as it is based on/modified with chinese equipment and while software and other aspects as you suggested are from France. As for the gatling gun, china should be capable of reverse engineering Gau-8/A 30mm on its own if france were transfer what it had.

    Added also it doesnt rule out the fact china could very well gotten those system pre sanction just like the french compact, if i recall correctly devolopment of type 730 is more than decade old.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2628001
    JonS
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    conveniently Janes would be correct, but if we were discussing any indian product, janes would be the most unreliable source of info… yada yada yada….

    let assume what you said is correct and its comparable/slightly better than apg-66. So u assume that Grifo-M stats are similar to APG-66 has a range of 55 km against fighter sized targets and around ~ 30 km tracking range its still overkill to fit mica on it isnt it and its still inferior to Kopyo-M.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2628028
    JonS
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    Here is some more info for Grifo ASV from finmec which seems more accurate and contradicts that.

    “A frigate-sized ship showing a radar cross-section of 10,764 sq ft (1,000 sq m) is claimed to be detectable at ranges greater than 55 nm (63 mi; 102 km). FIAR claims that in the air-to-air mode aircraft can be detected up to 22.4 mi (36 km). “
    p2800 is grifo-m and p2801 is grifo asv
    “P2800 60 nm (69 mi; 111 km) P2801 55 nm (63 mi; 102 km)”

    Anyway if u check up janes or get the brochure for grifo-m all those suggest its Air to air range is 32-37 km.

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    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2628039
    JonS
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    Grifo-M for Mirage-III has improved strike capability, think about it if its look up range is around 37 km doesnt it seem like overkill to fit mica onto it.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2628142
    JonS
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    they were borrowed by sangem to show off AASM and Mica, as part of Rose 3 upgrade so whats the fuss about?

    JonS
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    Whenever you see a report about a Chinese system that is like something you know and love, always take that assertion with a pinch of salt. It’s the same with the Chinese anti-missile platform that is supposedly similar to AEGIS.

    because it is there is still strong connection in terms of transfer of technology between france-china, there have been numerous other naval equipment transferred to china i.e french 100 mm compact gun.

    in reply to: R-22 INS Viraat #2043926
    JonS
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    Perhaps some VL units for Shtil could be dropped in to replace SA-N-1, remove and replace the 2 Peel group radars with 2×2 or 2×3 Orekh. Not sure that a Fregat radar is required, but if needed this could be mounted on one of the 2 main radar masts.

    Fregat is surv/tracking radar for shtil which requires 3D radar for that purpose and dont think Star can be integrated into shtil. As for Fregat its quite large radar so i dont think it can be fitted in the masts without some structure changes, even if it can be it would quite a waste of money replacing Star or Lw-08 with fregat.
    Anyway as you said its waste of money fiting in VL-shtil onto those vessels, barak alone is capable enough to provide the air defense. if IN orders three more Talwars i am betting that they will replace the first three rajputs.

    JonS
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    Are we forgeting that that some Akulas were also connected to the Gorky deal.

    If India did not buy Mig-29 then no Gorky and no Akula.

    So India would have to take Rafale say US$1.6 Billion and a French built carrier, say US$ 1 billion with Misc of US$ 500 million, we are taking of US$ ~3billion and 2-5 year delay.

    There is no doubt that this French combination would be better and perhaps justify its costs but the deployment of money saved on Gorky; in ADS-NCLA also justifies the Gorky deal.

    Akulas are icing on the cake.

    I doubt there was connection between akula and gorshkov it something that was suggested by the media. What held akula or Tu-22m purchase was that India was using foreign firms for upgrade of India’s russian products which russia wasnt happy about. hence they wanted them to sign agreements to pay royalty & so on which India just did.

    As for french carrier i doubt it can be built it can be built for 1 billion, a convential cdf would cost around 2.8 billion euros according to the recent french report and incoporate armaments. It would easily end up costing around 5 billion $. Fyi ADS construct cost is already said to be over 4000 crores.

    JonS
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    Palma:was offered as replacement to the ak-630 kashtan couldnt replace ak-630 , due to its requirement of deck penetration and its weight. Palma used the GSh-6-30KD gun and 8 missiles (no reload) its currently not being marketed for export. Many of its features have been incoporated into Kashtan-M and there is also the cheaper variant of Kashtan-M with just EO which is also being marketed. There is also plans for naval pantsyr but its awaiting funding from any potential customer.

    As for chinese type-730 = french satmos/satan gun system which was supposed to inferior to goalkeeper and french found naval sadral to be better/cheaper alternative to it so hence the program was axed.

    in reply to: A12 AVENGER AIRCRAFT(STEALTH BOMBER) #2628720
    JonS
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    was the triangular design the only one being considered for A-12? Anyway IMO i think USN made major mistake funding devolopment of F-18E should have instead focused on navalised ATF or ST21.

    in reply to: Invincible class CVL future #2044222
    JonS
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    “In September of 1952, the Navy issued a Request For Proposals for a new carrier-based day fighter capable of Mach 1.2 at 30,000 feet and Mach 0.9 at sea level, an initial climb rate of 25,000 feet per minute, and a landing speed of only 100 knots. The RFP was issued to McDonnell, North American, Douglas, Convair, Lockheed, Grumman, Vought, and Republic. Of these, only Douglas, McDonnell, Grumman, and Vought had any real experience with carrier-based aircraft.”

    in reply to: Invincible class CVL future #2044245
    JonS
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    i thought 100 knots for F-8 was the USNs requirement for the aircraft ?

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