Updating my knowledge base about MiG-29s, I have several sheets of paper on my desk now, skribbled with data.

To answer your last question properly, please give the following details to avoid further misunderstandings.

finally agreed eh anyway what details? anyway this whole page probably belongs in the mig-29 thread it would be nice if a mod moves it there.

nice pictures can someone identify what its carrying?

well your stats dont add up so you are suggesting that SMT-II is 2 tons heavier than 29M. But 29M has Ntow of 17 tons with 4.4 tons of fuel and SMT-II/29K-2008 has Ntow of 18.3 tons with 5.7 tons of fuel? seems that its structure is actually lighter than 29M because latter carries additional equipment as well (which wasnt present in Mig-29m) but is part of the empty weight as u said.

Bingo.
This is NTOW – internal fuel of ………kg – weight of AAMs with pylons of …….kg = OEW or operational empty equipped of ……. kg

(litre ~ 0,78 kg specific weight)

Please do your calculations with MiG-29K (9-41).
I can help you out with data from MiG if you need it. Some sources gave 4 R-77 instead of 2 R-77 and 2 R-73. The land-based variant ‘MiG-29M1’ is given with 17,5 tons NTOW compared to 18,55 tons.
The former new “lightweight” MiG-29M (9-15) was rejected* ~ 1993 and replaced by old “normal” multirole upgrades to MiG-29SMT (9-17) ~1997.
A MiG-29K (9-31) was used as prototyp of MiG-29K (9-41).

(* The welded Al-Li structure was/is very expensive and failed to provide the promised weight savings.)

well lol there is one simple solution to your question: you do realise it can carry more internal fuel believe it should around or more than 5.3 tons (fuel weight: 9-41 was 5.3 tons and Mig-29M was 4,400 kg) also there is weight of additional IIR,EO,Recon pod in Mig-29k 9-41.

More Royal Navy frigates for Chile
More Royal Navy frigates for Chile

The strong international price of copper for the second year running has bolstered Chile’s coffers and a percentage of that additional income is earmarked for military equipment purchases including several Royal Navy frigates, German Leopard tanks and refurbished F-16 fighters.

Excess income from copper sales abroad represented last year an additional two billion US dollars for the Chilean government and for the military who are legally entitled to a percentage, almost 700 million US dollars in these last two years, although part of it has already been spent in cancelling debts.

President Ricardo Lagos and the commanders of the three services agreed this week that those funds will be used in the coming nine years (until 2014) to keep advancing with the modernization process of the Chilean Armed Forces.

The shopping list includes 20 to 28 refurbished F-16 fighter bombers belonging to the Dutch Air Force (with a twenty year horizon), which would replace the current Mirage fleet and act as support for the brand new ten F-16 already purchased directly from United States. Total cost is in the range of 150 million US dollars.

The Chilean Navy already has defined the purchase of three missile Type 23 frigates from the Royal Navy, an operation involving 250 million US dollars, according to Navy commander Admiral Mighe Vergara who would like to see the contract signed before June 18 when he retires.

Traditionally Britain has been the main supplier for the Chilean Navy.

Finally the Army is planning to incorporate a first batch of 100 Leopard II German made tanks selling at an average cost of 400,000 US dollars each in the European market. The Chilean Army currently has 280 Leopard I tanks.

However no final decision has yet been reached since the Dutch government has offered a full package which includes jet fighters, frigates and tanks.

Before questioning the data of others, please specify, what means NTW in your opinion?!

i dont understand what are u saying atall and what do u mean NTW? i still like to know mysterious source from which u got the empty weight data for 29k.

Its interesting how usually some people ignore flamers and only reply to star49.
Tells alot 😉

Pls dont discuss Mig-29 in this thread.

did i miss something star49 is the one who started comparing mig to f-16….

was the F18A/B/C used in gulf war able to land with expensive unused munitions ?

which GW? during the first one navy’s didnt have precision guided weapons and f-18s barely avg 1.2 sorties per day.

surely u have the link for 4th generation RD series

there have been dozen russian articles on it. Here is earliar thread on rd-33mk here.link

and i have posted a article about MIG-29K taking shape. it is in IAF news and discussion probably in aprile. It is alot of heavier than what u think. it is no Rafale interms of weight.

right u claimed to have found some source that u posted sometime last month but u cant find any link for that right know.

F-18E is designed for 8000KG weopon load (unlike 5500KG of MIG-29) and has more internal fuel and hard points. simply no comparision there. Advance F-16 MTOW approaches twin engine fighters.

let see its empty weight:8.5 tons MTOW:17 tons that doesnt exactly leave much room for fuel if it were to carry 8 tons of payload does it. As for f-18e its 30% bigger than Mig-29 hence the larger payload even then (8 ton payload is what was specified in the orginal specs i dont think super hornet hasnt been able to match that according to what i read).