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  • in reply to: BrahMos thread – Part 2 #2047815
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    IN didnt go for the Sunburn coz it was deemed too expensive , so they went for the SS-N-25 , The SS-N-25 is similar in capability to the Harpoon Block 1C

    wasnt the price alone russia no longer had the capability to build the moskit right after fall of soviet union. Even the ones that were transferred to china were from Russian navy inventory no point in investing in missile when there is no guranteed future supply. As for reason for procuring ss-n-25 there is was no other option for IN, styx inspite of all the upgrades was close to obsolete. If Uran was truely capable it would have phased out styx by know.

    As for Uran being better than styx when it comes to sea skimming, size and its seeker but styx with its larger warhead had greater kill potential while uran/harpoon like other western SSM are designed to damage vessels not sink them.

    in reply to: BrahMos thread – Part 2 #2047857
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    AFAIK, the Kashins might be the first to get the PJ-10s then the Tarantuls and then the first four of the Khukri. Of course, there might be some variance and mix and match in the order depending on which ship is scheduled for their maintainance and what missile handling quays are available at the respective bases. All of these will get the inclined launched PJ-10s while the new built ships will get the VLS version.

    actually no kashin will get mixture of inclined and vertically launched Brahmos, you also forgot the Godavari they usually are the first ones to get all the goodies (barak, dhruv, Star etc). On tarantul’s configuration will be in 2 4 launcher horizontally inclined launchers as for P-16 and P-25 i am not so sure since i havent seen any models of them its possible it will be similar to tarantul but dont be suprised if they have brahmos in vertical configuration as well.

    in reply to: BrahMos thread – Part 2 #2047863
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    Uran Is a Relatively new system , there is hardly any chance of it being phased out , Also we can expect the air launched variant of Uran the KH-35 to arm the Mig-29K when she arrives.

    it will replace them doesnt mean that it happen immediatly, Uran was orginally purchased as stop gap measure for delhi’s. But later due to problems procuring moskits decided to push Uran into service into other vessels, IN wasnt really impressed with the missile because it didnt have kill potential P-20s had.

    In all likelyhood once P-20s are replaced by brahmos, delhi’s,last two tarantuls and P-25A will be fitted with Brahmos. As for air launched Urans it was hinted once that IN might purchase them but that was before availability of 3M-51 or Brahmos-A. I believe those two might be used for tu-144,Mig-29s,Sukhoi while sea eagle will be used in Dhruv,Sea king and Jaguar till a smaller Asuw is procured like sea skua or designed (i believe drdo was doing case study for small helo launched SSM).

    in reply to: BrahMos thread – Part 2 #2047869
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    Any guesses which ones??

    this is not too hard IN only operates 4 systems: three that will be phased out are styx, uran and sea eagle. I believe there plans for helo launched Ashm that will replace sea eagle fully on helo platform as well.

    in reply to: Two American fighters lost over Iraq! #2608439
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    its too early too rule out hostile fire insurgents have been rigging up large AAA systems but the fact that two were lost makes it sound like mid air collision.

    in reply to: Indian Navy – News and Discussion #2051393
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    Also Spain has built the larger S80 sub , does it have any assistance or based on Scorpene program.

    IZAZ is the one that designed scorpene along with dcn why would they need assistance to design a larger sub?, anyway S-80 was orginally supposed to be basically a larger scorpene but they opted for a orginal design.

    Contrary to the popular belief , that the U-212 is a far better sub than Scorpene is the navy has chosen the Scorpene over the U-212 ( except for MESAM the Navy will go for German Fuel Cell ) as stated by Adm Prakash.

    as i said b4 its all about subtics and exocet thats main reason IN is going for it since germany doesnt offer indigenous counterpart to either one of those.

    in reply to: Anti Sub Mortars #2051444
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    i believe swedes have elma, primarily russians introduced ASW mortars to make up for their lack of ASW helos/effective sonars and along with necassary cost associated with operating them. They formed a layered defense with RBU-600/1000/1200/6000 along with torpedoes and SS-N-14/15. In the west asw mortars fell out of popularity since soviet threat was mainly from the russian oscars armed with their shipwrecks so air borne ASW platforms were better suited with dealing with those.
    But profileration of SSKs who are quite hard to detect and sink employing sonars/torpedoes but dont have speed and dive capability to escape depth charges. ASW mortars could be quite useful against them some also have secondary anti torpedo capability.

    in reply to: Indian Navy – News and Discussion #2051547
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    i doubt akula deal will be a reality soon especially with different government and also there is too much foreign pressure on russians not to go thru with it.
    As for amur russians are hesitant on allowing license production for it first want IN to purchase a few of those vessels from their SYs, currently there is one amur being built for export purpose with no buyer chances are we will buy that along with a couple more.

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    http://www.brahmos.com/downloads.html
    those pdf files are similar to the brochure

    JonS
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    And how does that data get from the external source to the missile hanging under a bog standard Su-27? Bog standard Su-27s have wiring and avionics for AAMs and unguided bombs and unguided rockets only. Does it even have a pylon stressed to take weapons heavier than 500kgs? According to my info it doesn’t. If you have different information I’d be interested to read it.

    you are guess is good as mine on how the russians plan to implement it, its also worth pointing out that moskit air launched variant can also be carried by a flanker in fact some of the tests were carried out from a flanker.

    So the land attack Yakhont-M that had a mockup displayed last year won’t be flight tested this year?

    huh? you mean to ask if yakhont-m is funded? i believe its potential missile system available for export. Anyway really not sure whether yakhont-m is brahmos-a while both air launched the former has multi mode seeker while brahmos-a sounds like it will retain radar seeker of brahmos.

    Do you have a source for this or is this your opinion?

    the image in the brochure clears shows that as mentioned before.

    JonS
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    I doubt the Su-27 could carry even one. It doesn’t have the avionics to use such a weapon. The same for the Mig-31. The Su-30M variants and the Su-34 would be the only flankers likely to carry an Onyx and they would be able to carry three.

    i assume u know more about those platforms than NPO/DRDO :rolleyes: . Brahmos can be fired using data from external source or in general viscinity of a target so u dont necassarily need much avoinics to support it, only tricky part is land attack which russian variant wont have. Anyway mig-29s carry 1 brahmos in central hardpoint not under their wings.

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    I wonder why it cannot carry 2? The payload capability is certainly not exceeded. Maybe it cannot carry two from a carrier but land based aircrafts should be able to.

    yeah probably even Su-27 and Mig-31 can carry only 1 , the brahmos-a brochure has nice images of those platforms carrying them.

    in reply to: MiG-29s for Admiral Gorshkov to start arriving this year #2609617
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    I dont know if a MiG-29 could take off from the deck with 2 Bhramoses, maybe due to the design of the Bhramos it could but i am not sure, any ideas?

    mig-29 can carry 1 brahmos-a however there hasnt been any mention of having Mig-29 as carry platform for it so there is good chance that sukhoi’s and tu-142 might end up being the only platforms that can support it. Anyway there is plans by drdo for small air launched AShM (for helos) its probable that it might be carried by mig-29k as well.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov) #2051697
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    It’s not strange although, with a few exceptions, most warships these days have diesel engines and/or gasturbines for propulsion.

    not really most vessels built in the 80s have steam turbines and heck even the P-16s have steam turbines. Fiting cogag onto it is improbable.

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    IIRC, the IN didn’t want to buy ex-RN FA2s probably because of the cost. I think RN asked for more than what IN was willing to pay, considering IN has bet its future on MiG29s and the naval LCA when it materializes.

    not just cost but also factors like the age of the airframe which means higher crash rate. Also Mig-29K is better suited for air defense and AsuW purpose than the shar.
    Anyway rsk-mig is ahead when it comes to Mig-29k production and has high hopes that IN will procure 30 more in near future.

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