The attacking plane has to lock and launch.
i dont believe u lock onto a target when firing AShM u simply input in the target data location on to the missile.
How is the Brahmos a LO missile, as claimed by Indians? Look at the photos.
The Brahmos is an old-fashioned design with a MiG-21 style nose intake.
It is not even a modern missile design. How is it LO?
thats the most efficient location when it comes to placing intake even the USN’s hyfly dual combustion ramjet has a similar configuration. As for low rcs, its ramjet so it doesnt have hi ir and rcs give away associated with solid propellant missile. Also the russians do apply Radar absorbing paint on their hi profile AsHm the amount and type used on yakhont/brahmos is unknown.
Been while since i last posted here been busy latel:p
The whole point of having VL units is – among other things – that there is no reloading proces: all rounds are ready rounds.
VLS systems can be reloaded only hassle is that its tedious process requires cranes etc for larger missiles. Additional missiles for barak system are carried onboard israeli vessels for sure dont have much detail on how they are reloaded or how long it takes.
Why wouldn’t IN go for Kashtan on P15A? After all, it is using it on Talwar class, it is planned for the first three P17 frigates. This irrespective of the fact that IN tested Kashtan M only recently! Both of which have a fully Russian suite of weapons. Most weaponry aboard P15A is likewise Russian. To avoid integration problems, it would make sense to stick with a fully Russian set of armaments, including Kashtan.
Talwar was concieved back in 1997 and P17 around 1999 well before IN decided to adopt barak on its surface combatants. They already had integerated barak with P-15 and overcame most of integeration problems why wont they not do the same with P-15A as well.
You would need 4 8-cell BARAK modules to get the same missile load as 1 Kashtan unit.
huh? how does that matter kashtan is fitted with only 8 missiles at one time and it can intercept 2 targets at one time the additional missiles are reloaded automatically when needed when missiles are expended (but from what i understand its not quick procedure around 1 1/2 minutes to reload). Barak doesnt have automatic reload but vessels fitted with barak system carry additional missiles (no word on how many) which are reloaded manually.
1) IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVEN IF KASHTAN-M IS LIGHTER THEN KASHTAN, THIS SHOULD ONLY HELP RATHER THAN HINDER INSTALLATION ON DELHI/BANGALORE SHIPS.
Only recently did IN even test kashtan-m for installation on the gorshkov that takes P-15A out of the picture also as i said it found kashtan unsatifactory and all reports point to gorshkov being fitted with barak rather than kashtan-m. So why will IN go for latter in the case of P-15A?
I doubt Kashtan M is much lighter and AFAIK the below decks requirements are unchanged. see here
actually no according to milparade article kashtan command module weights 9.5 tons and m weights 7.5 tons. I will try to post snapshot of it when it get time.
here’s a pic of the kashtan-M on talwar class. in what way does it
differ from the new kashtan if any ?
nope thats not M it looks bit different here is a image of M along with some info also the website has info on ak-630/306 its manufacturer’s website.
http://www.shipunov.com/eng/kvnk/kashtan_m.htm
i dont think kashtan module is represented accurately in that plastic model will try to find image showing ayout of kashtan i used to have one b4 but cant find it. Anyway one of the problems with kashtan has been its size hence russia tried to find cheaper and smaller alternative ak-630m1-2, palma. I believe the newer kashtan-M model is supposed to few tons lighter and smaller than the orginal.
As for barak i believe more could be ordered that whats IAI reported along with few newspapers when news broke that US will sell few more orions to pakistan no word on how many.
I asked because the single or dual banks of RBU eat up a lot of deckspace on Ru-designed ships and based on the above dont look like a must-have thing…yet they continue to appear. some compact
means of launching them need to be developed…perhaps a rapid fire 2-barrel mortar using rounds from a magazine below.
russia does have few more anti torpedo/submarine which are more compact than RPK series u can check rusarm.ru for those but those are soley for dealing with either torpedoes or submarine while in othe RPK-8 is more multiple purpose ex: can be used against enemy vessels or against land targets.
Do you think the Russian Navy is rich? Well IN already has Kashtan on the Talwar frigates and most probably on Gorshkov in the future. So, that would count for the Standardisation too then.
well IN found kashtan peformance lacking according to ToI and but agreed to test Kashtan-M for the gorshkov 04 Jan,
“As part of the deal, the Russians also insisted on fitting the carrier with Kashtan missile systems that provides for self-defence of the ship against high precision weapons.
But India rejected the missiles as their performance was found to be not up to the mark during trials. The Russians then offered a modified Kashtan-M missile system.
Indian officials said the new system would be put through tests before taking a decision on their installation.
“They didn’t want Israeli or French missiles to be mounted on the ship but that will depend on how the new Kashkan missiles perform,” a senior official told IANS.”
But after some googling actually i like to correct myself it seems barak not kashtan-m will be fitted on gorshkov according to tribune report dated jun 2004 even thou reports from jan 2004 were indicating that IN has agreed to test kashtan-M for gorshkov it seems IN wasnt impressed with the tests.
There is always the NTU which some argue is just as good as aegis if not better.
the barak module is far smaller weight and size wise than one the kashtan requires, it can be mounted on top of hull as its county destroyer without any ramifications. If latter wasnt true kashtan would have deployed on viraat and would have replaced ak-630 on most russian vessels. As for barak vs kashtan, IN wants standardization of its SAM system 10 more system have been ordered (3 of those for brahmaputra, the rest is probably intended for newer vessels).
hmm, Kashtan is about the best thing around at the moment. Wouldn’t think twice when they would ask me wether I want AK-630 or Kashtan. Kashtan it is!! The AK-630s have to work in pairs anyway. So basically you have only 2 CIWS, you would replace them by two Kashtans too, but then you will have an equal amount of guns+ 64 missiles. Indeed deck penetration is necessary and a rather large room is required for the controll too. Yet it doesn’t weigh in against the advantages. Barak requires even more space.
no it doesnt barak is strap on system, chileans fitted the barak onto their cluttered county class ddgs very easily and IN has had no difficulties fitting the barak system onto their vessel as well.
Well, that’s not entirely true. IMHO 1 Kashtan mount will take up about the same (under)deck space as 2x AK 630. Compare for example the russian Udaloy 1 (2×2 AK630) and Udaloy 2 (2x Kashtan). Also compare the russian large cruisers: newer units have 1 Kashtan mount where older ones had 2x AK630.
no, kashtan requires extensive deck penetration for storage of its missiles thats one of the reason why it hasnt fully replaced ak-630 in most russian vessels and also IN considered kashtan for viraat and Delhi but abandoned due to extensive refitting they would require to carry the system. As u noted all those vessels were redesigned to carry kashtan, P-15A in other hand was already designed to carry ak-630 so without have to redo the design its harder to fight kashtan onto it. Besides IN is in love barak, gorshkov was postponed by couple months because IN wanted barak rather than kashtan but finally relanted dont see why they would not fit barak rather kashtan onto their own vessel.
Dhanush was probably a test to see if the missile could be launched from a moving ship. For later application on submarines. Haven’t seen any other Navy toying with the idea of putting anything like this in service.
there was speculation that israel is working on naval version of lora my guess is that it will used instead of dhanush onboard vessels.
As for ciws for the P-15A its up for speculation but there were reports of more barak systems being ordered my guess is mixture Barak and ak-630 will fitted on the vessel rather than Kashtan because the latter require deck penetration and P-15A doesnt really seem to have room for that.
The sales brochure shows a CG of a VL Shtil in a Sovremenny.
it was orginally intended for 2nd batch of sovremenny but due to lack of $$$ it was never fully completed.