Looks like Hassan Nasrallah is still alive just gave interview with Al-jaz., he said hizbellah leadership is intact and damage to its capability minimal. He also reiterated the claim which IDF acknowledged that couple merkavas have been destroyed along the border in the fighting. There was report that Lebanese media is showing video footage of this anybody have screen capture of it, what ATGM were used?

according to this report here is a video of an Israeli F-16 shot down over Lebanon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjpVQAtyfUI&NR

it was missile or drone not a F-16.

Interesting I thought Shtil was SARH guided all the way with Fregat providing just the initial track and then handing it to Orekh for Midcource and terminal phase.

Even if VLS Shtil makes it on Grosh , I doubt its a big logistics burden , But we still have to see what makes to the P-17 and the 3 new Talwar , Its possible that these 6 Frigate might have a VLS Shtil system

Fregat provides information to shtil’s command module which assigns one or more orekh’s to the target pre launch. It doesn’t seem to have ability to time share the illuminators like Aegis’s SM-2s.

I am pretty sure P-17s will get the shtil-1 as orginally intended not vl-shtil, the navy chief has spelled out that there will be no changes in specs except for minor design changes. As for new talwars there have been no specs released yet but few reports mention it will have barak not kashtan, not sure whether they confused barak with barak-8.

One of things i have find suprising so far is israel inability to take out hizb leadership or the militants, so far there have been few reports of hizb. casualty except for the military skrimishes. Is it because lack of intel?

Everyone needs to wait for the dust to settle people are using this tragedy as way to promote their agenda. Remember back in iraq war when US army’s APCs and M1s were destroyed Senior Pentagon personnel were saying that they were due to New gen russian Anti tank missiles (Konkurs etc) that saddam had acquired. Didn’t Rumsfield even accuse russia of supplying these weapons in press conference when US offensive was getting bottled down in the south. Later on they turned out to be due to IEDs and RPGs. I suspect the missile was most likely an ATM launched from a boat.

I was just talking with a friend of mine in Israel and she has just lost a friend in the recent actions.

It is clear that someone is supplying very very sophisticated arms to the Hezbollah and also training them in counter insurgency warfare, the use of

Ja should be worth noting there is extensive black market for arms for terrorist groups so its not necassarily they came from Iran or Syria the funding might have (i.e LTTE also posses advanced arms similar to what Hizb. has). Once such source is after the fall of saddam many iraqi weapons went missing god knows where they ended up.

Shtil is guided via Autopilot+midcourse guidance update from Fregat and needs illumination only during the terminal phase like SM-2.

A good question will be what SAM system will be fitted on gorshkov recent models showed only 2 kashtan and VLS Sam system/supposedly VL-shtil. But fitting in VL-shtil for just one vessel does not make much logistic sense.