> vl shil

surely because P17 has it. not sure if P15A will have it – probably yes because Barak8 agreement is in initial phase only.

where’d you hear P-17 has Vl-shtil, all models show shtil-1?

I wonder if fitting brahmos on talwar means adapting exsisting vls system for brahmos or fighting new VLS module.

Some time back I had posted a news on M2K upgrade where MICA was mentioned , Ofcourse whats the point in going for a Dash-5 upgrade without its main AAm the MICA.

The Derby as BVR dosent take you any where its terribly short on Range , around ~ 30 Km compared to MICA’s 60 ~ 70 km

AFAIK The cost of the Homing head tends to be the most expensive part on the missile , costing as much as 60 percent of the entire missile electronics.

Hence the assumption that a ARH missile would be expensive than a command guided one is correct

I don’t know where you got the range for deby from its certainly greater than 30 km, as for dash-5 upgrade derby/python can be integrated into it then there is ofcourse Astra.

As for cost of the missile yes active seeker costs more than missile without one when you are comparing to similar missiles, but in the case of barak, trishul and derby/python there is factor of mass production which would make missiles relativly cheaper compared to the former two.

Probably its cost– Mica would have been too expensive..

From what i understand both were offering a similar package for 300 million. MBDA was also hoping to sell MICA for IAF and IAF would have acquired some with UAE’s Mirage-2000. That deal fell apart which probably had some impact in IAF choosing spyder. There was talk about python for the sukhois wonder if that will come true know.

Also, this implies Israel got clearance from the US…there were reports that (in Indian media) that implied that Python and Derby had US components…dont know how valid that is…perhaps our Israeli members can pass details…

Didnt Israel sell python to few nations like china?

I think Tirshul will remain as a cheap alternative to build up numbers…the Spyder is bound to be pretty expensive..

Hard to say how much spyder costs in relation to trishul, but compared to trishul there would be fewer needed since its VLS and has longer range. Also latter is mounted on trucks where as trishul requires guidance radar in its launch platform, ultimately it comes down to price of the missile.

Probably becouse the French have somewhat cleverly managed to design a sub that is better than the Scorpene that India is in the process of aquiring.
In fact the french have been very clever, exploiting the situation between two near third world countrys to sell 12 new submarines in a decade.

Pakistan gets Agosta’s so India gets Scorpenes so Pakistan gets Marlin, its whats called an arms race.

Scorpene is join venture the profit margin for france us low compared with what they can get with Marlin, also there is opposition to selling scorpene to pakistan from navantia (which is intent on selling more to India). Hence the Marlin, however since Marlin entirely new design and there is no other country procuring it unless DCN can convince them otherwise. The whole venture is very risky, IMO I don’t think even pakistan would procure them.

Last agosta is still under construction in karachi isn’t it not? Any launch dates yet?

Jon, Palma is more than just alive, it has recently been fitted to a Tarantul III corvette in the black sea fleet (of course).
There are pictures at a c i g. org

wow old thread 🙂 anyway i believe thats the test vessel, just because it was fitted onto test vessel doesn’t mean the system is alive. Remember the dual Ak-630?

It looks more like a copy or inspiration of Bandstand than a real Bandstand. I do have to add that this Bandstand like radar isn’t the only Chinese naval radar that can guide a YJ-8X missile. It may not look like Bandstand underneath after all, the only thing that resembles the Bandstand is the radome.

As for the VLS in front of the ship, I think it’s more S-300 cannisters.

it is bandstand or exactly identical to it, there was a photo of Chinese ddg under construction which had bandstand without the dome and i compared that with image of bandstand without the dome from the milparade brochure couple months back. I will try to find that post if anyone is intrested.

Edit: Did a search couldn’t find it.