all yours…
Very good work! If you ever plan on doing one of the Admiral Chabanenko I have several recent (in the last year) pics of it if you want them.
Viper
The Viper Mk II is a MUCH better looking fake fighter.
I’m glad they have a sense of humor.
for an interim strike capability, how about the Nighthawk?
– stealthier than the F-111
– the US is soon retiring their entire fleet
– if the US were inclined to sell, it would probably be at super discount prices
– afaik the retirements are simply because they have better options (B-2 + F-22), not that the airframes themselves are worn out
– better range than the SH
– while the stealth coatings would be more maintenance intensive, i believe as a whole (engines, fuel tanks, fuel economy, etc) they will be FAR cheaper to run and maintain than the F-111the pilot training program was shut down in 2006(?), otherwise it is still very much active so wouldn’t be much restoration work
as far as technology transfer issues, well it is OLD plus it has already been compromised with that downed frame in kosovo
The F-117’s are expensive to run and the first gen stealth takes a LOT of maintenance. A lot of the parts are no longer available (I remember reading an article that said their are more than a couple F-104 parts in the Nighthawk to keep production costs down but that bit the AF in the butt when those parts were no longer available).
What’s the advantage?
It looks cool…
Are their any larger pics of the Isreali ship?
http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/09/21/afx4142310.html
Dassault Aviation to lose Rafale order in Morocco to Lockheed Martin – report
09.21.07, 3:39 AM ET
PARIS (Thomson Financial) – Morocco is likely to order US-made F-16 fighter planes instead of Rafales made by France’s Dassault Aviation, La Tribune reported, citing ‘several’ agreeing sources.The US is said to have offered 36 F-16s made by Lockheed Martin Corp (nyse: LMT – news – people ) for less than 2 bln usd while France was proposing 18 Rafales for 2.3 bln eur, the business daily said.
In response to the US offer, the French authorities amended their proposal to 12 Rafales and 12 Mirages or 24 Rafales for 2 bln eur, but sources are not hopeful that France will get the order, according to the report.
Until recently, the French side was hopeful that the first Rafale export contract could be signed during a visit by President Nicolas Sarkozy to Morocco scheduled for next month, the newspaper added.
What would be the cost of adding a ski ramp? How much would it cost then?
Not possible.

This is a copy and paste from a post I made about Sea-Swap on the defence talk forum since I don’t feel like retyping the entire post…
Oh no… Sea Swap… :rolleyes:
The USN is playing with this idea for DDG’s and the OHP FF’s and they have been doing it for years with a couple of Mine Sweepers based out of Bahrain and it works great for small ships.
But then they tried it with a couple of San Diego and Norfolk based DDG’s (the ones out of Norfolk were the USS Stout, Gonzolez and Laboon), they deployed the Gonzolez and left Laboon and Stout in Norfolk and just rotated the crews through after the other crews got done with the normal 6 month deployment.
The idea sounded good to the higher ups (save gas money, save wear and tear on 2 ships and save transit times) but the crews hated the idea, for one the turn over of the Gonzolez was essentially “we had it, you got it now… bye” with only a couple days to figure out where everything was, what they had to work with and any equipment quirks and problems, any maintainance that could be put off onto the next crew was, also no pride was taken in the ships (after all it isn’t “your” ship why bother keeping it looking good?) and since the Gonzo was always in BFE parts deliveries were rare.
Then they had to deal with the differences between the 3 DDG’s, even though they were all Flight IA DDG-51’s they all had (seemingly) minor differences on paper but in real life lead to some trouble. For instance, Stout and Laboon had different consoles than the Gonzo but our display techs never got the training to fix the newer consoles. Stout and Gonzo had a new supply system while Laboon still had SNAP II for some reason. Gonzo had some strange boyancy issues due to her being grounded during her sea trails that also had to be learned by each crew. Also Gonzo and Stout had a different Tomahawk missile system than the Laboon so the crews had to certify on both, I remember reading a couple page document on the differences but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
The Laboon and Stout also suffered during the Sea Swap program, after all these ships were not deploying any time soon so why spend as much money on them? I know the Stouts sonar sytem was messed up and the much needed dry dock period to fix it and do other work kept getting cancelled and moved to a later date. Plus once you finished your deployment and flew back to Norfolk you did not go to your original ship, you went to take over an empty DDG that the other crew vacated.
I’m not sure what the USN’s official ruling on the experiment was (it only recently ended for the Norfolk ships) but most of the supposed benifits were out weighed by low crew morale among all 3 crews, the high cost of flying the crews out to the swap location, putting them in hotels for the turn over then flying the other crew home and the abuse of 18 months constant flogging with no time to fix problems and properly paint and maintain the ship.
So yeah I’m against the idea, the 3 Norfolk ships that did it are still messed up and have a lot of work that needs to be done to fix the damage.
What puzzles me is why they don’t stick a couple of those VLS on each carrier. ESSM has so much more performance than the old Sparrow and yet they keep those 8-round POSs in place. :confused:
Because those old launchers are dirt cheap to operate and we still have plenty of spare parts from decommed Spruances.
This is a bit of an email I got the other day about enlisted assignments for the LCS program.
Subject: Enlisted Detailing Word of the Day: Littoral Combat Ship (LCS)
program<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Word of the Day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
** Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program **
Due to the confusion surrounding the status of the Littoral Combat Ship
(LCS) program, PERS-402D is having difficulty in obtaining nominations for the
program. Here is an update for anyone who may have questions regarding LCS.– The production of LCS 3 (the second Lockheed Martin hull) has been cancelled
due to cost overruns. To date, there are no plans for another Lockheed Martin
ship.– LCS 1, 2, and 4 are still being produced with LCS 4, (the second General
Dynamics hull) scheduled for delivery June 2009.
So it looks like Lockheed isn’t building any more LCS’s at this time.
That is an awesome picture!
It shows all kinds of details that I’ve never noticed before, man that is a good looking plane!
Japanese use their own fully distributed command management system called OYQ-6. The section goes onto say that European designers regard this system as being superior to its US counterpart whilst US sources feel it was just a job creation exercise for the Japanese electronics industry. Does anybody have any idea which perspective is correct or is it a mix of both?
The Japanese have some slightly different equipment than what the US has, their consoles are different (same with all the other foriegn Aegis buyers, just about everyone chooses to go with home grown consoles) and their SPY signal processor is different, other than that the CND program should be roughly the same though they don’t have some of the features the USN has (I don’t know what the exact differences are, sorry).
I was refering to the “not used underway anymore” part. I figured they would use a crane at the harbour when in harbour. But USN dont reload underway anymore or what?
/Dan
Ah, I should of been more clear, the USN doesn’t reload VLS at sea anymore, in fact the new Burkes have 6 more VLS cells because they do not have a crane at all.
As I said pretty much the only thing the Flight 1 Burkes use it for is to reload the torpedo tubes, though I suppose if one of your missiles missfired a crane would be useful to get the cell out of the launcher and over the side, but I sure wouldn’t want to be the guy in the crane seat!
I met a deck officer in the RN who said the Phalanx systems that they have are “always breaking down” but that Goalkeeper hardly ever had such problems.
I’ve worked with the Phalanx techs on 2 diffrent DDG’s and they tell me they are very reliable.
However, if they were Block 0 mounts with the hydrolics then I can see them having problems.
But comparing Goalkeeper to Phalanx is kind of silly because Phalanx was deisnged to to just bolt on where ever you had room while Goalkeeper you have to design the ship for it from the begining since it takes up space inside.