plumberunionI am the drone, bahahah.
I am not the one crying about “Chinese social harmony” (such a nice, party created harmony 🙂 ) when government corruption comes up.
the primary goal of any government should be social harmony. I believe the arab proverb is “better to have a thousand years of tyranny than one day of anarchy.” corruption is a problem is any society. but despite the corruption, the Chinese government has clearly done more for its people than the US governemnt. the life of Chinese people is clearly better, that’s evident to every Chinese people. the same cannot be said about the US government. real income has been falling for decades in the US. the American working people are suffering while the US is waging wars around the world.
plumberunionoh of course anybody who don’t follow the orthodox no-liberal theory must be “Chibots”. the fact is the existing Chinese government has lifted more people out of poverty than any other government in history. but keep on chanting your lies, you drone.
plumberunionSince you are talking about arresting American criminal politicians perhaps would you care to comment on this story?
i see you’ve conceded on the fact that your previous post was an obvious, cynical and disgusting attempt at warmongering. frankly i would rather spend my time watching Japanese tentacle porns then having this futile conversation with you. however, as a christian communist, i will try again to save your soul from eternal damnation.
as mack8 said, the article you posted is an obvious attempt to subvert Chinese social harmony by western propaganda organ. is corruption a problem in China, of course. since China is using capitalist method to improve productivity, an increase in corruption is inevitable. corruption and capitalism goes hand in hand. do you know the percentage of US congressioanl members who are millionaire? clinton was bankrupt when he left the White House, guess how much he is worth now? hint, clinton’s hobby these days is collecting luxury watches. do you know how much money NYC mayor Bloomberg made while he was mayor of NYC? the difference between corruption in China and the US is that corruption in the US is institutionalized. in China, an exposed corrupt officials are shot. in the US, most political corruption are perfect legal. of course, corruption should never be tolerated. reforms are underway in China reduce the excesses of economic reform. but even now, the Chinese government model is still superior to the US model. The Chinese government is able to constantly reevaluate, readjust its policies based on reality on the ground; undertake major reforms when necessary to meet the challenges of a fast paced modern society. while the US government is hopelessly mired in political infighting. demagogs rise to power by agitating the frustrated but uneducated American people. the US government can’t even agree to get into a boat if a flood is on the way. you suck! the Chinese people don’t want to be like you.
these facts are so obvious, as the following video demonstrates, even a child can understand them.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjIxNjAyNzM2.html
plumberunionScenario of Philippines backed by American forces clashing with PLAN in he South China Sea
Description:
“South China Clash”, and featuring the US Navy coming to aid the Philippines against the Chinese in the contentious South China Sea. “
http://wfarcadia.blogspot.com/2013/12/command-modern-airnaval-operations.html
disgusting attempt to provoke conflict by warmongering American extremists. this scenario seems inspired by border conflicts staged by extremist elements of IJA Kwantung Army back in the 1920’s and 30’s to provoke full scale invasion of China. the Chinese people are united and prepared this time! on Feb 5 1899, the US imperialist army fired the first shots that began its conquest of the newly independent Republic of Philippines. after suffering concentration camps, genocide and hundreds of thousands of civilian slaughtered, and a century of racist colonialism the Filipino people finally shook off their shackles. asking the US to help Philippines is like asking a fox to guard the hens. a decade of bloodletting in the Middle East is apparently not enough, the same criminal warmongering clique now seeks to drag Asia into a bloodbath. Wake up American people! cut up your credit cards, put down your dope pipes a while, arrest and put your criminal politicians on trial before history repeats itself!
plumberunionPrimary strike aircraft of the LHA is currently the Harrier and soon to be the F-35. In case you are unaware both are VSTOL aircraft. Hence both operate from smaller deck carriers. Once the Harriers are phased out, F-35 will be the only aircraft with VSTOL capability. This makes it perfect for the sea-control mission.
If catapult equipped imperial carrier is the “gold standard” why bother with VSTOL aircraft like the Harrier at all? Why have any aviation ships not equipped with catapults? Let the inexperienced colonials play around with those.
SPQR.
aha, the imperialist shows his true color! I shall counter your empire with some anti-imperialist heroes!
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plumberunionYou may consider it a reliable source but I have my doubts……..Yet, AFM is a free and open forum. So, believe what you like!
wrong, ignorance and freedom cannot coexist.
“If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed.” Thomas Jefferson
plumberunionYour example reinforces my point that catapult is not the “gold standard” of carrier operation. It all depends on the operational requirements. Do you see any catapults on the LHA-2 (which has been pressed into a sea control role)?
BTW, Expeditionary Strike Group? Can the USN come up with a sinister sounding name? Why must the American police state constantly send out expeditions to strike smaller and weaker nations? You may as well be flying the Roman eagle, and like Rome your imperialist days will be over too.
An Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) can perform many of the Sea Control missions you are thinking about thereby freeing up the carrier battle groups for more difficult tasks.
The Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) is a United States Navy concept introduced in the early 1990s, based on the Naval Expeditionary Task Force. The U.S. Navy fields 9 Expeditionary Strike Groups and 10 Carrier Strike Groups, in addition to surface action groups. ESGs allow US naval forces to provide highly movable and self-sustaining forces for missions in various parts of the globe.
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plumberunionThe PLAN’s first mission is to ensure the survival of the Chinese state. That means trying to protect China’s vital sea lanes from interdiction. Unfortunately the task the PLAN is saddled with is nearly impossible in the current timeframe and for the near to mid future. They will be stretched too thin and do not have the world wide basing to perform their mission.
And you need to add that the PLAN does not have the experience to perform worldwide deployments. Also please define the chokepoints you see that the PLAN would close that would threaten American mainland and society.
The survival of the Chinese state is dependent on the survival of the Chinese people, conversely the purpose of the Chinese state is to ensure the well-being of the Chinese people. The Chinese don’t share your imperialist definition of global domination as their vital interest. Oil, resources, etc are not the real vital resource, people is your real vital resource and must be safeguarded at all cost. Since ancient times, every Chinese states depended on the direction taxation of the common Chinese people as their main source of revenue, therefore the well-being of the people should always be the primarily concern of the state according to Confucian philosophy. Western states on the other hand, with their long history of feudalism and economies dependent on resources extraction from colonies, obviously valued human life to a lesser extent. You coming from a nation based on slave labor and the extermination of the native population would of course have a completely different worldview.
Why would PLAN need to perform worldwide deployment? Why would China want to threaten the American mainland? Get out of your imperialist mindset just one second and listen “Chinese DON”T want to be like you!” Even when China inevitably regain its place as the most powerful nation in the world, China has no interest in becoming the global hegemon. In 2009, with the world in chao due to the economic disruption caused by irresponsible American fiscal and imperial polices, the future president of China Xi Jing Ping gave a speech in Mexico which summed up the Chinese worldview nicely.
“the greatest contribution towards the whole of human race, made by China, to prevent its 1.3 billion people from hunger… There are some bored foreigners, with full stomachs, who have nothing better to do than point fingers at us [China]. First, China doesn’t export revolution; second, China doesn’t export hunger and poverty; third, China doesn’t come and cause you headaches, what more is there to be said?”
BTW, USN is firmly opposed to the Offshore Control doctrine you seem to like so much. Hint, all these so called doctrines don’t work in the real world, they are all smoke screen for the budget battle. USN is supporting the doctrine that will give it the largest share of the budget.
plumberunionErr I never said the liaoning or any other STOBAR carrier will be as effective as a USN super carrier in power projection, I said it is wrong to simply equate all STOBAR carriers (or hell, all CATOBAR carriers) together in their power projection capability on basis of whether they have a ski jump or catapults.
For instance, the Charles de Gaulle and São Paulo both have catapults, but how would they compare in terms of power projection compared to a fully operational liaoning.
I thought MTOW came into it because you brought in the soviet doctrine of loading large anti ship missiles on their carriers, but I suppose I misinterpreted it.
Btw, the kuznetsov class actually has three ready to launch positions, not two. There is one on the waist.
It would actually be interesting to see how a more refined STOBAR carrier might perform, but with a more sensible deck layout, larger and more elevators, smaller island etc.
The question is efficient in what role. American style imperial carriers would be inefficient in the sea control role. It would be an over-commitment of resources. Admiral Zumwalt realized committing all USN resource, enormous but still with limits, into super sized CATOBAR carriers would be an inefficient use of resources. Moreover, a small number of expensive imperial carriers can’t be everywhere at once, therefore leaving the USN unable to fulfill its global mission.
Charles de Gaule is a power projecting carrier, just smaller and less capable compare to the American version. São Paulo was of course built before ski jump was invented. Brazil would arguably be better served with a modern ski jump carrier.
plumberunionYour the one screaming for “evidence”. Then look at the source you provide??? I copy of a posting on another forum in Chinese. Hardly, an official document and considering the source one not be taken seriously in the first place.
GO NAVY:cool: That is US Navy to you……
obviously you haven’t read Blitzo link, or failed to comprehend what you read. Those charts were published in the Chinese magazine Shipborne Weapons, a highly reliable publication affiliated with the PLAN. The article is based on official data from an official Russian study. You won’t find open source evidence more reliable than that.
Free your mind! shake off the chains! Go Navy!
plumberunionokay, with the imperialist herd thoroughly defeated, let’s get back to more serious discussions.
On the subject of why I think PLAN prefer American carrier doctrine over Soviet doctrine. It is not as simple as USN is the “gold standard” of carrier operation. PLAN operational environment is very different from Soviet environment. China has a clear no first use nuclear policy. SSBN is not nearly as important to China as they were to the Soviets. Plus the geographic constrains, there are no easily defensible bastion areas along the Chinese coast. PLAN’s main mission to defend against imperialist aggression in its own backyard. Which means PLAN must present enough of a anti-shipping threat keep USN carrier battlegroups sufficiently far away from the Chinese coast so prevent them from operate efficiently against Chinese mainland targets. Therefore unlikely the mainly defensive, ASW focused Soviet aviation ships, Chinese carriers must have an offensive-defensive capability. Now back to the geographic constrains, in order to threaten USN carriers, Chinese anti-shipping assets much operate close to or even beyond the first island chain. Which many geographic choke points in the first island chain, PLAN submarines would have a far more difficult time to penetrate the barriers to get at the USN. Therefore PLAN cannot adopt the Soviet submarine based anti-shipping doctrine. PLAN must fight its way through or at least close to the choke points to threaten the USN. In that scenario, the more flexible nature of the USN carrier doctrine is logical for the PLAN to adopt.
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Really, LOL……:stupid:
you forgot “Go Navy!”. which is your usual response when confronted with solid evidence contrary to your herd thinking.
plumberunionConsidering the unreliable performance of Soviet subs escape modules were considered necessary. That Mike Class sub, K-278 Komsomolets had to use its escape capsule when she sank in the Barents Sea. And there have been several others
K-278 at least had some survivors, unlike the USS Thresher, lost with all hands. heartless Powerpoint wielding efficiency experts run the US military. human life is cheap to them.
plumberunionboth Blitzo and I have presented data from officials study published in PLAN affiliated publication which support the fact the fighters can take off with MTOW from ski jump. your continuing ignorance is the effect of long term brainwashing. face it, the evil American imperialist agenda has been exposed. prior to the revelations of the hero Edward Snowden, too many common Americans were still living under the illusion that their government is inherently good. you see, the difference is Chinese people know when their government is lying to them, while for too long common Americans have been so thoroughly brainwashed, they were blind to all the evil actions of the American ruling class. but the people are finally waking up. millions of Americans are now stockpiling weapons and ammunition, training with informal militias, to resist the American policy state. the moment of revolution is at hand. free yourself! you have nothing to lose but your chains.
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Forward, brothers and sisters,
And the last fight let us face;
The Internationale
Unites the human race!
plumberunionabout Africa. Roovialk, judging by your handle, Vincent, I guess you are one of people who think black Africans were happier under apartheid. Yes, there are some backlash against Chinese business in Africa, mainly due to the agitation of Western intelligence agencies. Yes, Chinese can also learn some lessons on how to operate in multicultural environments. But most Africans do appreciate Chinese investments and realize the non-interventionist just business policy of the Chinese have done far more good for African than centuries of Western colonialist exploitative policies. Even my Nigerian ex-girlfriend, from an African country with which China doesn’t have much business dealings with yet, appreciates that Chinese have done more for Africans than white men have ever done.
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