Kestrel
…to add another bird of prey to the stable: Eagle/Falcon/Raptor
We don’t do the gratuitous A vs B stuff any more in here, US Agent.
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LOL…okay…I’ll be more subtle from now on. :rolleyes:
Good man!
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Whats the difference between purchase rights and options?
That’s a good question… :confused:
Base on this quote from the article…
The A350 came into Paris well behind its direct Boeing rival, the 787 Dreamliner, which has won 266 orders.
…I would say the “order” number of 117 also includes options.
117 orders. I don’t know whether or not that includes the 8 A350s (plus 7 options) included in the TAM Brasil order
Does the “117” number include options from all the other orders?
“The Americans have to take the Airbus tanker seriously and there is no reason why Americans don’t order from Airbus.“
Oh really?
Think again…

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How many firm orders do Boeing have on the books for the B787 now, or are they still quoting a single figure for firm orders and “commitments” lumped together?
There are currently 128 firm orders and 138 non-binding commitments.
What’s the breakdown on the A350?
We don’t do the gratuitous A vs B stuff any more in here, US Agent.
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And I guess there was no chance of France sigining an “accord” with Britain this week ? 😀 :dev2: 😮
LOL…no, I guess not.
And why weren’t the Germans asked to participate in this project? :rolleyes:
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However i am quite positive that we will see a dreamliner order this week(or multiple orders).We are talking to many airlines and many more are interested in getting this aircraft. We are considering increasing the no. of slots for early delieveries, and are also considering a further larger varient (very early to say).
Interesting…a -900X or just making the -900 larger than planned?
Boeing Chairman responds…
Q: A defense bill in Congress includes an amendment that would prevent the Pentagon from purchasing goods and services from foreign companies that receive government subsidies. Do you support this?
A:
“We did not lobby for that language. It was not our idea. I had the pleasure of telling a number of Europeans (at the air show) that they better read that as the mood of the U.S. Congress. That was their idea.
“This is Congress flexing its muscles. If your guys in Europe do not address this subsidy issue in a more forthright manner, then we have some things that we can do. If you insist on a tilted playing field there, then we can tilt the field here.’
“It was not something we pressed for. But the fact that the language exists, am I troubled by that, no, not at all. I’d be foolish not to put some pressure on the other side to act reasonably.”
Ok Folks,
One little thing you all seem to be missing a bout three weeks ago in the House Sub-Comm. on Military spending a bill was introduce to make it illegal for the US Military to operated anything but US build and desing items.
It should be out of sub-comm. sometime in Aug and go to the House for a vote. So its either going to be a KC767 or KC777 for the USAF also I think you will see atleast 5 to 8 other Countrys picking the 767.
RER
…[related]…
Trade suit on EU subsidies to rival Airbus raises stakes
But there are pressures to pull back from the brink. Some Airbus backers, particularly in Germany, view the WTO case as an impediment to the far bigger goal of winning contracts from the Pentagon.
“We believe Boeing pushed this case not only because of the A350, but because they want to cut us out of the tanker deal,” said Thomas Enders, a German appointed co-chief executive of Airbus’ majority shareholder, the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co.
I wonder how long it took him to figure that one out. :rolleyes:
Boeing goes on offense for midsize market
Trade suit on EU subsidies to rival Airbus raises stakes
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
By MARK LANDLER AND ELIZABETH BECKER
THE NEW YORK TIMES
LE BOURGET, France — When the Airbus A380 superjumbo jet took to the skies at the Paris Air Show, executives from The Boeing Co. crowded an observation deck here to gawk at the plane, the new flagship of a European company that is embroiled in a trade battle with Boeing.
As the A380 traced swooping circles above the airfield Monday, the Boeing delegation was plainly impressed. But after the giant plane touched down, the spell was broken. “Look for the dent in the runway,” one of the executives said in a dig at the A380’s chronic weight problems.
Boeing can afford a few wisecracks. After several years in which the company seemed in danger of being flattened by the Airbus juggernaut, it has stormed back into contention. Boeing’s new midsize plane, the 787, is selling briskly, while Airbus has been dogged by production problems with the A380 and questions about how it will finance its next new planes, particularly the A350, which is intended to go head-to-head with the 787.
The reversal of fortune comes just as the European Union is fighting a trade suit brought by the United States on aircraft subsidies.
“Boeing’s original strategy was purely defensive: to protect the 787 program,” said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of research at the Teal Group, an aerospace consulting firm in Fairfax, Va. “Now, it’s switched from defense to offense. They want to disrupt the A350.”
The stakes are enormous. Medium-size planes — those with 200 to 300 seats — will generate more revenue than any other category in the next two decades, according to industry forecasts. The segment is also one in which Airbus has chipped away at Boeing’s franchise, with its popular A330.
Airbus needs ‘several years’ to hit A380 delivery schedule
BLOOMBERG NEWS
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
LE BOURGET, France — Airbus will take “several years” to meet the delivery schedule it originally laid out for its giant A380 airplane after delays resulting from wiring and weight issues, the company’s chief operating officer said yesterday.
“The delays will run over a couple of years,” Gustav Humbert, Airbus chief operating officer, said at a Paris Air Show briefing yesterday.
Humbert said there were three main causes: problems with wiring for passenger entertainment systems; complexities in designing different cabin interiors for each airline; and grappling with weight issues.
Airbus is still discussing the situation with customers, and he wouldn’t provide a figure for penalties.
Airbus said earlier this month that it’s facing a six-month delay in delivering the first A380s to customers such as Singapore Airlines Ltd., Qantas Airways Ltd. and Air France-KLM Group. The plane will be the world’s largest airliner.