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Or perhaps they’re just having a massive tantrum for losing a deal.

So…what do you think the odds are that Boeing will officially launch the 747ADV at Paris?
this “A350” smacks of desperation…I thought Airbus was better than that.
I must admit…I didn’t. :diablo:
Airbus are threatening the UK government with mass unemployment at BAe unless we cough up the dough they demand to develop the untill recently not needed and half baked A350.
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Hey, I provided a link and gave the author credit…. :p
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U.S. to pursue Airbus case
WTO trade complaint to target EU subsidies
From Tribune wire services
Published May 31, 2005
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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration said Monday that it will bring a trade case alleging the European Union is providing illegal subsidies to Airbus SAS, the major competitor to Chicago-based Boeing Co.
U.S. Trade Representative Rob Portman said the administration had decided to proceed with a case before the World Trade Organization in light of preparations by member states of the EU to commit $1.7 billion in new launch aid to Airbus.
“The EU’s insistence on moving forward with new launch aid is forcing our hand,” Portman said in a statement announcing the administration’s decision.
Launch aid is the support provided when a new airplane model is developed.
Both sides argue that the other is providing WTO-illegal subsidies to support a domestic airplane manufacturing industry.
Portman said the formal request to establish a WTO hearing panel in the dispute would be filed Tuesday with the Geneva-based WTO.
“We continue to prefer a negotiated settlement and we would rather not have to go back to the WTO,” Portman said. “By requesting the panel, the United States is providing time for the EU to reconsider its plans to provide new subsidies.”
The announcement that the U.S. would file a case against the EU was the latest twist in the extended dispute over whether the world’s two biggest aircraft manufacturers were receiving improper support from their governments.
The move comes eight months after the U.S. filed its initial complaint, saying the launch aid provided an unfair subsidy to the European aircraftmaker. The EU countered with a lawsuit of its own claiming Boeing has benefited from unfair support of as much as $23 billion.
The two sides tried to negotiate a deal without resorting to a WTO panel, agreeing in January to suspend any new aid and to defer litigation until April 11.
But those talks broke down in mid-March, with the U.S. saying EU governments weren’t committed to ending new loans and accusing the 25-nation bloc of trying to change terms of a preliminary agreement. EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson said the Bush administration had no room to reach a negotiated settlement because of heavy political lobbying by Boeing.
Portman said the administration’s hand is being forced because the EU is no longer willing to hold off on providing further government support to Airbus as it develops new planes. Portman also said in the negotiations the EU has only proposed to reduce government subsidies, not end them as the U.S. is seeking.
“We still believe that a bilateral negotiated solution is possible, but the negotiations won’t succeed unless the EU recommits to ending subsidies,” Portman said.
Boeing spokesman Russ Young said the company strongly supported the trade representative’s decision but hoped for a settlement.
“We agree with the [trade representative] that a negotiated settlement is preferable and hope serious U.S./EU discussions will continue as litigation proceeds,” he said. “The company stands ready to support the [trade representative] in any way necessary to bring a prompt end to market-distorting subsidies to Airbus.”
Earlier Monday in Brussels, the EU announced that it had made a new offer to the U.S. to cut government aid.
“We are proposing that there be an immediate cut in government support on both sides and after that further cuts,” said Claude Veron-Reville, Mandelson’s spokeswoman.
A WTO panel would have to decide whether the financing offered to Airbus by European governments constitutes “prohibited” or “actionable” subsidies under global trade rules. In the first instance, a final decision against the EU, which may take as long as a year, would force the bloc to drop its support. If WTO arbitrators find the aid “actionable,” the EU may open itself to retaliatory sanctions in the form of extra tariffs on its exports to the U.S.
The EU has said in the past that it would resume its WTO case against the U.S. if the Bush administration restarted the U.S. case.
Bring on the TRADE WAR!!!!!
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With regards to “commonality” being a factor…I think it plays a bigger role when you are considering different versions of the same aircraft model…ie, Air France’s recent decision to go with the 777-200F to replace its 747-200Fs…a major factor being the commonality with their existing passenger 777s.
With the playing field being leveled now with regards to pricing…it appears Boeing has regained the advantage. 😎
I agree, this A350 looks like it’s gonna be a version of Boeing’s 717 – (Selling wise)
…[related]…
Emirates to trade up to new twins
Flight International
24th – 30th May 2005
Dubai carrier closes in on deals to swap out parts of existing Airbus and Boeing fleets for A350s and 777-200LRs
Emirates is in negotiations with Airbus and Boeing about a complex, multi-billion dollar deal for A350s and 777-200LRs, which would involve trade-in deals for the carrier’s existing A340-500s and older 777s. The massive deal, which is expected to include up to 50 A350s, also forms part of a huge raft of sales for the new twinjet that Airbus expects to unveil at next month’s Paris air show.
Airbus chief commercial officer John Leahy is confidently predicting that he will announce “triple digit orders” for the A350 at next month’s Paris air show. “It will be at least 100, maybe substantially more than that,” he says, adding that deals will be signed with at least “four customers”.
Although Airbus declines to specify the identity of A350 customers, according to industry sources the Emirates contract will form the major portion of the sales. It could involve a complex contra-deal whereby Airbus, or an agent of the manufacturer, would take Boeing 777-200ERs in part exchange. The rapidly expanding Dubai-based carrier is also known to be discussing a similar arrangement with Boeing under which its A340-500s would be exchanged for an order for the -500’s ultra-long- range rival, the 777-200LR.
Leahy denies that Airbus would have any interest in following Boeing’s policy of negotiating part-exchange deals that involve the trade-in of rival equipment.
Another airline to sign up will be US Airways, which has obtained a $250 million incentive loan from Airbus in exchange for a commitment to acquire up to 20 A350s for delivery from 2011 to 2013. The financially troubled carrier confirmed that it will be an A350 launch customer last week when it finalised its merger with America West. It holds outstanding orders for 10 A330-200s, which are believed to have been dropped as part of the deal, and the airline has deferred delivery of its remaining A320 orders (see story below).
Two lessors are also expected to sign up for the A350 at Paris – GE Capital Aviation Services and International Lease Finance.
Although disappointed by recent A350 campaign losses to the 787 at Air Canada and Northwest Airlines, Leahy believes the door could still be open in other contests that appear to have swung Boeing’s way, including the multi-million dollar 777/787 selection by Air India. Airbus is writing an official letter to the Indian carrier seeking a review of the Boeing deal on the grounds that the A350 was excluded from the original evaluation.
GUY NORRIS/LOS ANGELES & MAX KINGSLEY-JONES/LONDON
Euro-bashing and transatlantic willy-waving belong over in General Discussion, US Agent.
This is Commercial Aviation. 🙂
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What is/was their financial position, and their perceived position generally in the USA before the merger …?
Not great, but a hell of a lot better than their new partners!
The carrier has been working to phase out its 12 Boeing 747-200Fs since 2002, to comply with environmental regulations. This phase-out process will be completed by the beginning of 2009.
Air France’s cargo fleet comprises eight Boeing 747-200Fs and four 747-400ERFs.
Is this a typo…or am I missing something? :confused: