walshleeInfo on deceased crew member
More info on the deceased crew member killed in the crash
GUTTERIDGE, CLIVE
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Aircraftman 2nd Class
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Date of Death: 07/09/1942
Service No: 1457157
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 1. Column 4.
Memorial: OTTAWA MEMORIAL
usually have some information on the where they are buired and some info about the family but this is now private information.
walshleeRecords have been found in Ottawa
Annek,
The following RCAF Board of Inquiry would have been conducted shortly after the accident, and happened when a fatality was involved. These investigation papers are held at the National Archives in Ottawa and have been microfilmed. In many case a brief summary is found followed by an appendix with all found evidence that might lead to a cause of the accident. In many cases photos are included with these reports but the clarity and quality during the microfilm ofter leads to a poor quality print.
You can order a copy of this file at .25 to .50 cents a page. Their address is found on the NAC’s website at http://www.archives.ca
Here is the file info is:
Reference: RG24 , National Defence , Series E-1-b , Reel C-5939
File : 1300-X6954-1 , Access code: 90
File Title: Oxford II RAF Aircraft – Accident at Swift Current, Sask. – Sgt. Edward Sowery, LAC Colin Stewart Gutteridge
Outside Dates: 1943-1944
Finding Aid number: 24-100
RCAF/RAF Oxford aircraft X6954, sadly cannot give you the date of the accident. Somewhere I have the microfilm Reel C-?????? for No39 Service Flying Traingin School at Swift Current. This would give some minor info about the crash but the full RCAF BIA report is your best bet.
Lee
Toronto, Canada
walshleeThe author was Ian McLachlan
Ian lives up in Worlingham, Would anyone have an email address for him?
I found some pictures of X4492 taken at RCAF Stn Rivers in Manitoba in July 1945 for Operation Eclipse. Flt Lt. Tom Percival flew X4492 over Lake Winnipeg to snap a series of pictures. They later ended up in LIFE magazine a few months later. Tom later recalled with me that the flight was very cold, even in July.
X4492 was retired from No. 13 Photo Squadron around 1947 as spares were running slim. It is unclear if X4492 was flying when it was handed over to the Royal Canadian Navy in 1947. This aircraft could have been shipped out east to Halifax to the Naval Air Mech. School at HMCS Shearwater but no records have revealed anything.
walshleeFound this for you CF-GCG
Paul,
found this…
Reference: Record Group 12 , Transport (Canada), Microfilm Reel T-7930
File: CF-GCG, Access code: 90 (open to public)
File Name: Lockheed P-38
Outside Dates: 1951/12-1957/07
The Transport Canada file might have some clues about the crash and maybe the investigation papers. I appears the CF code stayed with the a/c until around July 1957 when they released it. You can view this file on microfilm at the NAC or interlibrary loan to your local library.
Mossie Soc. in Alberta have this:
March 17, 1955
Lockheed P-38L Lightning, CF-GCG
Nick Toderan and Al Bourne
CF-GCG P-38L 44-53183 which broke-up during steep dive during test flight and crashed into MacGregor Lake Quebec on 17.3.55 (45 mins north of Rockcliffe, Ontario
If your really looking for info on these aircraft look up Norm Malaney as he has written and researched almost anything that flew with Spartan.
Lee
Toronto
walshleeAny 193 Historians in the UK??
Can anyone help me find any clues on Statters??
I have written to a number of people in the HULL area and still have no leads can anyone in the UK offer any clues?
Are their any No. 193 books that have been written?
Lee
Toronto Canada
[email]walshlee@hotmail.com[/email]
walshleeVIDEO LINK: polish documentary on SM411
here is the link:
http://ww6.tvp.pl/9142,20070927568385.strona
its in Polish but wonderful doc!
walshleehere is the combat report from May 1, 1945 421 Sqd
The son of F/O Ed Mann sent this to me last night and details for of the exploits of the three pilots that shot down this FW190 at 20:30hrs on May 1, 1945.
I am close to finding the family of W.O. (P) Paul “Spud” Murphy in Wales or Canada. Still trying to find info on K.W. Langsmuir of Toronto.
Here is the combat report.
Lee
Toronto
(will post pics of SM411 in Holland/France in due course)
walshleelocal of Lat and Long for the No. 421 airfield.
Guys do any of you know how I can find the lat & long (location) present day location on Google maps of where this unit was stationed?
I have the B### airfield somewhere in my records but I would like to find out where the airfield was located in May 1, 1945.
Anyone have any clues on were and how to start searching for this site?
walshleerepaint of SM411 possible? AU-E “Florence”
I have been speaking with a few historians in Poland about SM411. There intial request to track down the pilot that flew her in WWII. With a great deal of luck I found the family in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.
SM411 was flown by F/O Ed Mann from late winter to the end of WWII. She was coded AU-E (For Ed) and was named “Florence” after Ed’s wife who is still with us today. After researching the Op Record Book and reviewing Ed’s logbook he shared a kill of a FW190 during the final days of WWII. The FW190 was shot up and about 200 feet and not sure what happened to the a/c or the pilot.
I have a simply beautiful photo of Ed sitting in the cockpit of SM411 with Florence painted on the side. I can’t post this photo without Brian’s (Ed’s son) permission. I might be submitting this to Flypast in the weeks to come to publish in their magazine.
walshleePhoto of the Sgt Green’s Hurricane and crashsite
Here is a picture of Sgt Green’s Hurricane while flying with No. 1 Operational Training Unit at Bagotville. No. 20 was the aircraft he was fliying, I cannot confirm if this photo is of No.20/ RCAF serial 5624 or it’s replacement after Green went missing in it in May ’43.
The other photo is a Google Earth shoot of the region.
The final photo (Spring ’43) is a poor one of the No. 34 SFTS (Course 69) at Medicine Hat where Sgt Green graduated from prior to deployment with No. 1 OTU (Course 10) weeks later.
walshleeHere is a Picture of P/O Edward “Ned” Statters
Photo taken at St. Croix Sur Mer, Normandy August 1st, 1944
Now if I can only find the Pub he owned in Hull, England.
There are 100s of ’em : (
walshleeAnyone know Ned Statters in Hull, England?
I posted the same link on RAF commands and got a hit:
There was a Flg Off E.Statters (151571) who completed an operational tour with 193 Sqn (Typhoons) on 17 December 1944. Known as ‘Ned’ (usually short for Edwin) he was with the squadron from at least April 44 – possibly earlier.
I understand that Ned owned a Pub in Hull, does anyone know anything about this?
Are there any published books on No. 193’s History?
walshleeSpitfire R7143 – ex RCAF Rockcliffe aircraft – For Ollie
I noticed that Ollie was looking for some information on this aircraft as were others about X4492.
This aircraft was one of 3 Spitfires sent to Canada in the late winter and early Spring of 1943. Their primary role was for testing of aerial photography equipment but some pilots from the unit state otherwise. More joy riding then photography work was done – and who could blame them!
There were 11 Spitfires in Canada between 1940 and 1951 and none logged more time then these three aircraft. But sadly in 1947 they were retired and transferred to the RCN/FAA for instructional purposes. R7143 was sent to Canada as a Mk VII Type G and was entirely silver, stripped of all paint. They aircraft was plaqued with undercarriage problems after a crash in the UK. Another wheels up landing damaged they a/c again and proved to be a challenge when an RCN pilot named Barry Hayter was elected to pick up R7143 from Rockcliffe and fly her back to Halifax.
While Barry was landing in Nova Scotia or NB his brake failed on the a/c. After fueling up and rev’in the engine he had some number of ‘erks hang off the a/c until he took off – all jumping off in the nick of time!
This aircraft was then towed from RCNAS Dartmouth and taken to HMCS Stadacona (concrete ship) land station where the RCN Air Electrical “L” School was located. The C.O., RAdmr Terry Burchell had the wings removed and hoisted the aircraft up to the second floor and squeezed the a/c a small hole made in the wall. After putting the a/c back together and up on her gear, the seal broke! She stayed there until 1948-9 until it was scrapped. I finally found a class grad from that year that would disclose what happened to her.
To this day I still have not been able to find out what the RCN did with X4555 and X4492.
Here are some pics of R7143 and RAF movement card:
Mark: F. Ia
Serial No: R7143
Contract No: B19713/ 39, 1st order. Dated August 9. 1939.
Engine: Rolls Royce Merlin 111
Built at Vicker’s ? Factory, #1470. February 2, 1941
Presentation aircraft Walsall I.
Built at a unit cost of £4,250
sister aircraft to R7139 Walsall II
No. 6 Maintenance Unit at RAF station Brize Norton. Feb 2, 1941.
Director General of Research & Development – Jan 18, 1941.
Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough.
No. 1416 Flight at RAF station Benson. Conv. to Mk. P.R. IV. April 12, 1941.
Rolls Royce factory at Hucknall. Conv to a Mk. F. Va. September 7, 1941.
No. 140 Squadron (ZW-*) at RAF station Benson. Octr 3, 1941.
Converted to a Mk. PR VIIa type G. date unknown. March 10, 1942.
Painted pink with VII legend on fuselage.
Category B (flying accident). P/O F.J. Blackwood while on formation
practice flight landed at Benson in bad visibly, resulting in the
misjudgment of the field and runway. He tried to skid R7143 around to
prevent striking boundary hedge resulting in undercarriage collapsing.
No. 1 Civil Repair Unit. March 15, 1942.
Repaired aircraft awaiting collection. April 19, 1942.
No. 6 Maintenance Unit at RAF station Brize Norton. October 29, 1942.
RAF station Benson.
No. 47 Maintenance Unit at RAF station Sealand.
All arms removed from aircraft.
Manchester Dockyards. January 1, 1943
On board the SS Manchester Progress bound for Montreal. January 16, 1943.
Arrived in Canada. February 10, 1943.
Delivered to RCAF station Rockcliffe February 17, 1943.
No. 3 Training Command February 26, 1943.
No. 13 Squadron/#7 Photo Wing based at Rockcliffe, Ontario.
Category C. at RCAF station Rockcliffe. F/O H.V. McRae experienced
undercarriage failure while in flight, starboard leg would not lock down.
Tried using co2 b/u system with no results. Damaged u/c port main plane,
starboard main plane and flap. Leaking hydraulic valve and u/c locking pin failure to be the cause. September 10, 1944 6:30pm.
Unserviceable till June 1945.
No. 1 Air Command. January 15, 1945.
In “unit stores” at Rockcliffe April 30, 1946.
No. 9 Transport Group. At RCAF station Rockcliffe. July 15, 1946.
On display at the International Airshow in Toronto August 30, 1946
Awaiting disposal. October 11, 1946.
Air Search Rescue duties. January 9, 1947.
On display during airshow at Rockcliffe, June 14, 1947.
no flights due to weather. (R7143?)
Transferred to the Royal Canadian Navy. September 2, 1947.
Flown from RCAF station Rockcliffe to RCNAS Dartmouth October 1947.
by RCN Lt (P) Barry Hayter.
RCN Air Electrical School at HMCS Stadacona for instructional purposes.
Reduced to scrap in 1949-50 by school staff.
walshleeCAM – Mossie Newscast Video is up
Global has the newscast up on their website.
hit this link:
Global Newscast (podcasts)
wait for the file to cache and then go the the 18:42 minute benchmark and watch the story.
Richard
can you sent me you email address?
Lee Walsh
Toronto
walshleeP8332 – Movements in the UK and Cdn
This was passed on to me by AJ Short – former Curator to NAM, plus my research on other NEI Sponsored Spitfires:
AIRCRAFT OF THE NATIONAL AVIATION MUSEUM
TYPE: Supermarine Spitfire MK.IIB
MANUFACTURER:
Supermarine Division
Vickers-Armstrong Limited
Castle Bromwich, Birmingham, England
CONSTRUCTION NO.: CBAF 711
ENGINE: Rolls Royce (Packard) Merlin 29
REGISTRATION: P8332 (RAF)
DISPOSITION Display – Canadian War Museum
HISTORY.
Manufactured by CBAF June 27, 1940
Taken on charge by RAF 20 March 1941
Presentation aircraft – named SOEBANG (NEI)**
paid for by the State of Soebang, Netherland East Indies
No. 45 MU, RAF Kinross, Scotland April 29, 1941
222 Sqd, RAF, Convoy Patrols and sweeps over France May 21, 1941
43 Sqd, RAF August 23, 1941
Damaged, repaired by AST Ltd. Hamble, Hants August 27, 1941
8 MU, RAF, Little Rissington November 8, 1941
82 MU, RAF, Litchfield December 7, 1941
Transferred to RCAF April 1, 1942
Delivered to Liverpool Docks by No. 82 MU for shipment on the SS Manchester Port April 13, 1942
Arrived in Canada May 42
RCAF taken on strength #1 Training Command, Mountain View, Ontario.7 May 42
Flown at Mountain View and displayed at many locations in Canada
during World War II (eg – in front of Toronto City Hall 4 Nov 43,with Serials #A166 and 166B).
#2 Technical Training School, Camp Borden, Ontario 20 Nov 47
Displayed at Canadian National Exhibition, Toronto, Ontario Aug-Sep 59
Displayed at several RCAF Stations during late 1950s & early 1960s
RCAF Station Uplands, Ontario 5 Jul 62
RCAF Museum Collection 6 Dec 64
Repaired and finished as “SO-P” of #45 Squadron, RAF, at #6RD, Trenton,Ont. Jan-Dec 66
Used in Canadian Armed Forces Centennial Tattoo 1967
Displayed at National Museum of Science & Technology, Ottawa. ’68-May 86
Displayed at National Aviation Museum, Ottawa, Ont. Sep 86-Jun 87
Re-finished in authentic marking ZD-L of #222 Squadron, RAF, as flown by Pilot Officer J.H. Burgess in June 1941. work done in July 88
Loan to Canadian War Museum (for display to open 1990). 27 Oct 89
Moved to new CWH in 2006
Sep 88 A.J.S. <- former curator to the NAM
North East Indies Government sponsored Mk. IIs Spitfires
P8327 Java
P8329 Sumbawa
P8330 Batavia
P8331 Sumatra
n8332 Baron Soebang*
P8333 Banda
P8335 Semarang
P8336 Flores
P8338 Borneo
P8339 Madura
P8340 Balikpapan
P8341 Lumbok
P8342 Scram
P8343 Medan
P8349 Sucka Boemi
P8361 Krakatao
P8363 Banka
P8364 Surinam
P8365 Rotterdam
P8365 Palembang
P8367 Bali
P8368 Sibaya
P8369 Toba **
P8371 Palembang-Oloe**
P8375 Celebes
P8376 Bedoeln
P8377 Siwabong**
P8378 Sourabaya
P8384 Fei Yue
P8443 Molukken
P8444 Mes
P8516 Amboina
P8595 Middelberg
P8596 Riouw
P8597 Katwijk
P8602 Malang
* Sent to Canada/RCAF. April 4th, 1942.
** Flew with R.CA.F sqds while in the UK.
In April of 1941 a total of 36 Mk 11s and 17 Mk Vs were sponsored by the Government of the North East Indies. They were given the names of the major islands, states, towns, and cities that make up the NEI and 3 of them went on to fly in R.C.A.F. Squadrons while based in England.
Attached is a picture of P8332 in Gore Park, Hamilton
from The Hamilton Spectator
“Navigates “F for Freddie” over City Tomorrow – Squadron Leader Jack Watts DSO, DFC, and bar will be navigator on the Mosquito bomber “F for Freddie” which will “shoot up” Hamilton at 3:30pm tomorrow afternoon. The Mosquito will fly over part of Wentworth as well, in a flight arranged by the 8th Victory Loan Committee. In this photograph S/L Watts is shown pressing the firing button of the Spitfire (P8332) fighter plane in Gore Park at noon today. Assisting the local committee while on leave he addressed employees in many plants during the 4th loan drive.
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