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  • in reply to: Spitfire X4492 #1288899
    walshlee
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    X4492 – RAF Movement Card

    Based my RAF movements on the records – however with my exp. over the years these cannot always be trusted. Then again if the RAF converted the aircraft by simply changing the engine etc – why would they write this on the card.

    R7143, X4555, and X4492 movement cards are a nightmare to read and there is handwritten revisions all over them. If you guys can make better sense of them drop me a line. Here is a scan of her movement card.

    I remember speaking with this pilot and I may have not corrected my sheets, then again look for yourself and you can feel my frustration.

    Lee

    in reply to: Spitfire X4492 #1289844
    walshlee
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    X4492 & P8332 Spitfires in Canada

    Dear Mark,

    Thanks for posting the new pics. Without a doubt that is P8332. This is a bit of an old ball Spitfire as in all the research I did I could never find and RCAF papers that revealled why it was sent over or went it was allocated. I have pictures from the NAM in Ottawa that show here traveling all over southern Ontario, including a pic of it sitting at Toronto’s Old City Hall during a war bond drive. I quess it got pretty beat up over the years and may have been used for parts for all I know. Really not sure how this Spitfire (P8332) survived and the other Rockcliffe Spitfires didnt. R7143 went to Halifax and was scrapped but I have always wondered what happened to X4492 and X4555.

    That shot you have posted of X4492 was taken in 1944 with S. African pilot Tong Gubbs at the controls. The small nose art at the front is the No. 13 Sqd insignia with a Gooney Bird wearing a camera around his neck. I have documented the history of P8332 and it was part of a number of Spits sponsored by the North East Indies Government. Her history is very vague from 1942 up until around 1950 when she ended up at Camp Borden where she was polished up a bit. Spitfire owner Don Campbell of Kapuskasing, Ontario had found some replacement parts for P8332 and then the CAM in Ottawa cleaned her up some more a number of nears ago.

    I have some more pictures of the other Spitfires on my site (old and not updated lately). Here is the list of serials for the other RCAF Spitfires on memory:

    L1090 – sent to Ottawa for comp tests with the XP40, later tests with the G-suit designed by Dr. Franks of Toronto.
    P8332 – sent to Canada for bond drives, travels Ontario before ending up at Camp Borden. Restoration help by Don Campbel in 1960s’70s. At CWM Ottawa.
    ER824 – MISS TORBAY – on the Empire Kingsley with two other Spitfires (ES117 and the other ???). The Central Maint. Unit rebuilt ER824 and test flew it before it was shipped back to the UK. Served with RCAF at Digby funny enough.
    X4555 – BoB vet and flew with No. 13 Sqd until 1947. Fate ??
    X4492 – See previous post
    R7143 – PR version Type G like X4555, couple of wheels up landings, evently flown to RCNFAA Electrical School at HMCS Stadacona. Scrapped in 1948-0
    JG480 – Sent to Kapuskasing, Ont for RCAF WEE testing. Sent to HMCS NADEN at Esquimalt Supply School. Eventually scrapped!
    TZ138 – Another WEE aircraft, surplus in Aug 49 and sold to Dambuster Pilot Ken Brown. Entered in 1949 Cleveland Air races placed 3rd. Sold to US buyer and travelled around the states for some years, Over 20 owners and now back in Canada.
    VN332 – the last of the WEE Spitfires, sold in 1951 after sitting outside to test the effects of co-cooning aircraft in all seasons. Crashed in Teterboro, NJ in the early 1950 killing Peter Freytag.

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    thanks for posting

    in reply to: Spitfire X4492 #1289970
    walshlee
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    X4492 – History of Spitfires in Canada

    Dear Mark & Steve,

    I saw this interesting post and decided to post for some updates. I have been researching the history of each Spitfire in Canada from 1940 to 1951. During these years 11 Spitfires were in Canada with some leaving and heading back to the UK or Africa.

    X4492, along with X4555 and R7143, were shipped to Canada in very early 1943. At this time Spitfire L1090 had arrived and left after testing of the XP-40 and this aircraft at Rockcliffe and then onto Toronto for testing with Dr. W. Franks and his G-suit at Malton. In early Feb 1943 we saw three other Spitfires arrived at Torbay, Nfld were they were wrecked on the Empire Kingsley. The crew there managed to rebuild one and return it to England as Miss Torbay (ER824). The other two wrecks were buried at Torbay – with people looking for them today.

    As for the Rockcliffe Trio. They made there first flight in April of 1943 and did some minor photo testing with No. 13 Squadron at Rockcliffe and stayed there until 1947. Bellow is the entire history I have for X4492 and her fate is still unknown. By 1947 the RCAF was out of spares for these three aircraft and they were transferred to the Royal Cdn Navy Fleet Arm that fall. They were starting up with the Seafire program and wanted these airframes for teaching purposes.

    During X4492’s tenure at Rockcliffe she did a number of hours and managed to survive being smashed up in crashes like X4555 or R7143 – both repaired but never still had problems. In July of 1945 X4492 was flown to Winnipeg by Tom Percival for Operation Eclipse. No. 13 had sent X4492 and a B-25 and their Anson for photograph this full eclipse at high altitude (35K). They photos later appeared in LIFE magazine (november 1945) and I scanned the photo bellow. I have a letter from Tom that detailed his accounts and remembers the flight being VERY cold – even in July.

    These 3 Spitfires were in rough shape around 1947 and I am sure on R7143 was still flying. RCAF records show all three going the the RCNFAA and X4555 going to a RCN school in Halifax. I interviewed people from this school and they confirmed the Spitfire to be R7143 (this was an all silver Spitfire). I guess the other two couldn’t fly so the RCN flew R7143 out instead. What ever happened to X4555 and X4492 still remain a mystery. X4555 has an amazing combat history with No. 92 Sqd at Biggin Hill during the BoB.

    All three were built as Mk. 1s but went through a number of conversions to PR versions and when shipped here had all arms removed. I cannot remember if this was an armed PR model unlike X4555 – bullet screen and all.

    here is X4492 history after 10 years of research:

    Mark: F. Ia
    Serial Number: X4492
    Contract No. B19713
    Engine: Rolls Royce Merlin III

    Built @ Eastleigh Factory, No. #1246.
    First flight. July 14,1940.
    Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough. September 19, 1940.
    Photographic Development Unit, Heston Aircraft Limited. November 14, 1940.
    Converted to Mk. PR IV type D.
    Rolls Royce’s Hucknall factory. Converted to Mk. Va
    with Rolls Royce Merlin 45. January/March 1941.
    No. 1 Photo Reconnaissance Unit RAF station Benson. April 29, 1941.
    No. 8 Maintenance Unit RAF station Little Rissington.
    Converted to Mk. PR VII. November 15, 1941.
    @Boscombe Down, converted to Mk PR VI type C February 12, 1942.
    later type F. Rolls Royce Merlin XIV.
    No. 140 Squadron (ZW-*) RAF station Benson.
    Category B near Sandown, Isle of White. April 22, 1942.
    (Finished in light colors [pink] and codes DP)
    Repaired aircraft awaiting collection most likely at Benson. June 29, 1942.
    No. 9 Maintenance Unit ?. June 21, 1942.
    No. 140 Squadron RAF station Benson. July 27, 1942.
    No. 12 Maintenance Unit.
    RAF station Benson. October 29, 1942.
    No. 47 Maintenance Unit RAF station Sealand. December 5, 1942.
    Manchester Dockyards, January 9, 1943.
    Onboard the SS Manchester Progress for Montreal February 26, 1943.
    Departure date January 16th and arrived on February l0th.
    Unloaded and moved to Ottawa February 17, 1943.
    Taken on Charge with No. 3 Training Command.
    No. 13 Squadron/No. 7 Photo Wing RCAF station Rockcliffe. April 9, 1943.
    First documented flight.
    Flown to Toronto the next day. March, 1943.
    In St. John, New Brunswick.
    Flown to RCAF station Rivers {Manitoba} for Oper. July 9, 1945
    Piloted by F/L Tom Percival and flown over Lake Winnipeg at 35,000 feet. Record breaking altitude record for photographing a solar eclipse.
    In unit storage. December 31, 1945.
    In Toronto for airshow – have photos June 30, 1946.
    No. 9 Transport Group RCAF station Rockcliffe. July 15, 1946.
    Props nicked on take off at RCAF station Rockcliffe. September 17, 1946.
    Awaiting disposal. October 11, 1946.
    Air Search and Rescue duties. January 9, 1947.
    Royal Canadian Navy — Director of Naval Services. September 2, 1947.
    Eventual allocation to RCN/VR unit unknown.

    Photo of Tom Percival with X4492 – haven’t found the names of the two NCO’s with him.

    in reply to: Geoffrey Wellum…..First Light. #1359864
    walshlee
    Participant

    Can anyone help me get in touch with Mr. Wellum in Cornwall. I am researching the history of Spitfire X4555 ex No. 92 Mk I Spitfire. This aircraft flew with No. 92 Sqd from Oct to Nov 1940 until it was shot down. It was later repaired and converted to a Mk V then a Mk PR VIII Type G. It was sent to Canada in Feb 1943 and flew with No. 13 Photo Sqd until 1947. This aircraft along with three other Spitfires were transferred to the RCN Fleet Air Arm. Her demise still remains a mystery.

    Currenlty seeking any information on this aircraft while it was flying with No. 92 Sqd. Can anyone help me find Mr. Wellum?

    All the best of the new year.

    Lee Walsh
    [email]walshlee@hotmail.com[/email]

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