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  • in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1205601
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    Wellington is interesting – it fits the ‘inland towns’ classification for night bombers (One in Somerset for example) but was chosen/suggested by Vickers because Arthur Wellesley became the Duke of Wellington (Wellessly begat Wellington), but as it met the ‘towns criteria, it was accpeted – so it shows that a certain amount of subterfuge was used if approproiate!

    Yet the Air Ministry initially wanted the name “Crecy”, which does not fit their night bomber guidelines. Was the Wellington regarded as part of the Blenheim, Battle etc, group?

    Best wishes
    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1205623
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    An application of some common sense is needed here – I fancy

    I couldn’t agree more. Blenheim was a major battlefield, as was Hereford, Bolingbroke, Crecy, Battle etc. Can you see a pattern emerging?

    Further, The Air Ministry seems to have been fascinated by the English Civil War- hardly surprising given that some of the staff would have come in via Sandhurst. Bolingbroke, and Hereford, plus Albemarle or their original choice of name for the Hampden, Huntly would have been familiar to them from their studies at university and/or Sandhurst. The village of Hampden would not have been. Generally, they seem to have liked a big, fat juicy historical link when naming an aircraft, The political figure of John Hampden would have provided that link in the case of the Hampden.

    It is a remarkable coincidence that both Albemarle and Huntly were both major figures in the English Civil War. Did anything of historical importance ever happen at Albemarle, Huntly, or Wellington for that matter?

    It seems to me that the Air Ministry had guidelines, but these could be, and were, bent from time to time in order to get a name with suitable historical significance.

    The idea that bombers were named soley after inland empire towns is way too simplistic in my book.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1207031
    steve_p
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    Now, what about Walrus?! By rights should have been a Westland Name (another one!)?

    Walrus = big, fat, ugly amphibian

    preceeded by

    Sea Lion = not so big, fat, ugly amphibian

    …possibly.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1207037
    steve_p
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    The place surely, especially with the info DaveF86 has posted. All the large RAF aircraft of the period are named after places, you can argue about Dukes, ports, harbours, counties etc for as long as you want – but they are all place names.

    So where exactly is Hampden? I would agree that the Air Ministry tended to favour the names of towns of historical importance (or battles), but I dont accept that they were as tightly glued to the rule book as you imply. Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence that this bomber shares its name with a major British figure?

    Similarly, the first Duke of Wellington was born Arthur Wellesely. what a lucky coincidence for Vickers. I haven’t found a British town of Wellesley on google earth yet, it must be there somewhere. ::p

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    Steve p

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1207085
    steve_p
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    Fascinating stuff chaps. Now where does the Hampden fit in? I’d put money on the person rather than the place.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1207221
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    I’m not saying that the DC-3 was called Dakota before it entered British service, I’m just looking for evidence that it might have been.

    An article in “Flight” from April, 1943 quotes an American Air Force officer as saying that the name “Dakota” is used exclusively by the RAF.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1207367
    steve_p
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    Sorry I think that it was just a nice alliterative name and they conveniently ignored the North or South prefixes …… in much the same way that Armstong-Whitworth didn’t bother calling their product the Whitley Bay …….:D

    I would imagine that the Whitley was named after the Coventry suburb of Whitley. Didn’t AW have a factory there?

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1208244
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    I’m not sure I buy that.
    What about Sunderland & Walrus?

    Mmm. Perhaps I should have said land-based patrol aircraft. Flying boat names also followed a pattern eg, Sunderland, Stranraer, Scapa, London, Lerwick. All ports. Of course there were exceptions – Blackburn Iris springs to mind, but that does not invalidate the general rule.

    Anson was so called by Avro before it became a CC aircraft.

    And if the Air Ministry had not liked the name for whatever reason, they would have told Avro to change it.

    The Shackleton was named so by Roy Chadwick out of the fact that he had designed a float plane for long range coastal exploration by Ernest Shackleton on one of his forays, not because of any official naming by the RAF/MoS.

    See previous note.

    Again, I would err with Hudson (and Beaufort) being named after the place.

    Evidence?

    best wishes
    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1208402
    steve_p
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    With Wellington I err with D1566, just british place names, such as Blenheim, Battle etc. Albermarle is an oddity though!

    But if you think historical figures rather than towns it fits in rather well:

    Lancaster, York, Bolingbroke, Halifax, Buckingham etc.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Why Dakota? (The origin of aircraft names in general now) #1208439
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    The Lockheed Hudson was named after either Hudson Bay (part of the system) or Henry Hudson

    Coastal Command patrol aircraft were generally named after maritime explorers (Anson, Beaufort, Shackleton etc), so I’d put my money on Henry Hudson.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Some photos I forgot I had.. #1223613
    steve_p
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    The text book Sea Fury landing is HMS Glory.

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    Steve P

    in reply to: Blenheim gets nose job(merged) #1163250
    steve_p
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    It was still there last week…

    in reply to: Throttle control? Any ideas? PA4 47 #1163460
    steve_p
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    I’m wondering if it is a piece of radio gear, rather than from a throttle? I wouldn’t rule out the Firefly yet.

    in reply to: Throttle control? Any ideas? PA4 47 #1163560
    steve_p
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    Firefly 1 throttles.

    in reply to: Mk II Westland Whirlwind ‘What if’ #1173581
    steve_p
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    Hi Jerry

    Hmmm, well he might have written about fitting Merlins, but when I asked Fred Ballam about this, he told me he had never found anything on paper as to how exactly it was to be done… 🙁

    Idea’s anyone…

    Mmm, I think that Mensforth my well have been referring to the high altitude fighter that was being developed at Yeovil at this time. Westland were given the go-ahead to produce two Merlin XX prototypes on January 9, 1941. Its quite possible that in Mensforth’s eyes, this aircraft was a highly developed Whirlwind.

    AlertKen, where are you? 😀

    Best wishes
    Steve P

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