BEst wishes??? i doubt it!!!!
Apologies for the non convential method of answering…as one of those dreaded newbies i am unable to fully utilise the forums facilities!!!
No need to apologise. You have as much right to give your opinion as I have to give mine (even if yours is wrong :p 😀 )
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4) Bolly at East Fortune under restoration, externally she looks pretty complete now, she’s going into CATP colours of either all over yellow or yellow with black stripes
Is work being done on this one? Last time I was at East Fortune, work had ground to a halt. 🙁
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Thanks DS, thats great stuff. I’ll dream. 🙂
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Mmm, thanks chaps. I wonder where Air-Britain got the Shaibah reference from?
I take it that no recent photos exist?
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Hi all,
Is this the Stirling that was gifted to Russia’s equivalent of our Boscombe down ?
Richy.
Dunno. Care to expand?
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Hi
I’ve not heard of this before, but I’ll have a look at my sources when I get home.
Any ideas of the type (presumably either a Mark IV or V) – or range of serial numbers?
DS
ORB names it as Stirling III, LK615. It left Melton Mobray on 27/2/45 following an inspection by a Russian delegation.
The Air-Britain Stirling File records the aircraft’s destination as Shaibah via Russia, but there is nothing in the ORB to support this. All references there refer to a flight to Russia and nothing more.
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Thanks chaps. Don’t know how I managed to miss the line-up when looking at the East Fortune site before posting. I’ll blame it on the heat.
I see the Dornier on approach to Dundee every day, but the rest of the stuff looks pretty exciting.
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“So do we really think that in 2045 there will be widespread interest in Spitfire wrecks or that war graves will be as revered as today – where are the dead from Waterloo? “
Yes, I believe that in 2045, providing that we teach well, the sacrifices made by previous generations will be remembered. A Spitfire is not the only, and not necessarily the best way to teach people history.
Have to agree and you dont even have to go back as far as the Napolionic wars. Gallipoliis is still littered with the remains of those who fell to the extent of more or less complete skeletons being found on a recent visit. My point is id nothing is being done now for those who fell in 16/18 how long before 39/45 becomes just another history lesson?
Having never been to Gallipoli, I cannot comment on your example, but I find it difficult to believe that the CWGC would allow a situation such as you describe to continue. The rest of the paragraph is nonsense. Look at the numbers of poppies that are worn in November. People are still very aware of what happened during the Great War, and many people are making very considerable efforts to ensure that we will not forget those who gave.
to be honest most of the population dont give a damn ,i have found that out since trying to trace some Canadian war graves ove here !
Again, I’d argue that point. Have you tried visiting the CWGC site?
In a years to come ,and maybe not that far into the future,Commercial interests will dominate these issues and to you honestly think they will have anything but the mighty dollar/pound as their main concern? what price then a recovered fresh water Defiant/Spitfire/Hurricane or whatever? the last we will see of them is a container ship heading out to sea !!!
Why is it wrong for commercial interests to be involved if they can do the job well? Commercial interests have been responsible for filling many important gaps. What is important is that any recovery operation is done well, and these operations cost money. And if the recovered aircraft head out over the Atlantic, so what? JDK provided a pretty good case for allowing them do do so.
People like Allison need our support ,thanks & admiration.and that goes fro the rest of you involved in the preservation of our history…We have a saying over here ” each to his own” i wish we could have got more people to listen to that over here years ago!
I’ll not comment on that one. Forumites can reach their own conclusions after reading Allison’s posts.
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Wouldn’t that cause huge CoG problems?
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Thats great news. 😀
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Cheers for that Malcolm. When I made the comment above I was under the impression that a few had been delivered to Belgium. From reading a few other sources since then it seems that this was not the case. It still got around though. 😮
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Where is the Mossie in all this? Served in most combat areas ..Europe,Far East,Middle East ( again with Isreal ) and with how many different airforces? for how many different roles? and for how long?
Much as I hate to admit it, probably somewhere behind the Brewster Buffalo. Did any of the FAA Buffalos manage to get to North Africa after Crete?
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Wern’t the early Vickers Valiant test flights flown from a grass runway at Wisley. 😮
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Yup, Ollie’s right… unless it was the Yale that went to Old Warden. :dev2:
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Lets see if it’s true and then get the thing into a museum and the rest who think it should stay there can whinge all they like.
Its not wingeing, its a deep concern that the lessons of the 1970s and 1980s, when large amounts of wreckage were removed from Scotland for “preservation” only to be lost at a later date have not been learned.
To be quite honest, I wonder what your motives are. You obviously have done little research beyond reading accident cards and checking the legality of what you are doing. Your atitude is just a tad too gung-ho for my liking.
As I have stated above, the Spitfire is hardly a rare breed in UK museums – the vast majority of the people living in the UK live within 50 miles of a preserved example. Very few remain where they crashed. It is not good archeological practice to remove them all.
Preservation can take many forms. The fact that the Spit cannot be seen is not important. The fact that it is there will be enough to make people reflect; perhaps more so than if it becomes a small pile of parts displayed to a minority at some museum far from where it crashed.
I am not saying that all wreck recovery is a bad thing – indeed there have been a few successes where a lot of thought, research and planning led to significant recoveries – but there have also been significant failures. Iin too many cases the “preservation” movement has forgotten that these wrecks are part of the nation’s heritage, and are not the property of some self-appointed clique.
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