But surely it would be easier for them to examine when it’s sat in a museum.
Ali
Yes it would but so what?
A different example but the same point – Captain Scott’s base hut in Antarctica still remains. It is, in my book, worthy of preservation. It would be easy to dismantle and ship it back to a UK museum where far more people would have access to it than now. Yet nobody has. Ask yourself why.
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As a historian, I am advocating leaving something for future generations of historians to examine. The Spitfire is hardly a rare breed in museums.
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The scrappies were rather efficient in removing the wrecks from the hills near where I live. People who could remove an entire Halifax from 2900ft up a hillside, miles away from a road would have no problem in recovering a Spit from shallow water in Central Scotland. With the state of the economy in 1945, Britain needed all the scrap it could get.
On another note, do we need to recover every piece of Spitfire wreckage that still remains on the hills and under water? People died in many, if not most of these crashes. Why not leave what little remains as memorials?
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I’m trying to find the John Houston film ‘Battle for the Aleutians’ which gives the lie to this generalisation. One part of winning a war it to ensure your enemy holds forces back, defending the unattacked.
Try here James:
http://www.archive.org/details/Report_From_The_Aleutians
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Could one ask for more?
T J
Free admittance?
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Photos exist of a Hurricane in North Africa that was captured by the Germans, and given German markings, then captured back by the British.
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To clarify my point re the CAM Hurries: this was in response to JDK’s RAF Blenheim comment. Don’t think that Fighter Command used many Blenheims in the Battle of the Atlantic. 😀
I’d say that the P-40 must run the Hurricane pretty close, if not overtake it. What about the Aleutian campaign?
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Do the Hurricanes that operated in the Atlantic from CAM ships count? Seem to recall that they had RAF crews.
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Sweden also had a Hampden. I think that they bought it pre-war though.
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FD.2
The design team at Fairey broke the habits of a lifetime with that beauty. What a corker. 😀
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Calculated guess says that the Brisfit above is G-AFHJ (ex. F4587) which was destroyed during WW2.
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Edit: sorry Mark, missed your post above.
Hurricane I V6786 of 9 PAFU 07/03/43 Crashed and sank in Loch Leven, about 15 miles SW of Errol at 1315. The pilot is buried in the grounds of Murie House, 3 miles SW of Errol. Sub-Lt(A) Winston Vernon STARK (RNZNVR), of HMS ‘Jackdaw’ (FAA) – Age 20
Source: “For Your Tomorrow” Vol. II, page 71 by Errol Martyn
Paul, the ORB for 9 (P)AFU has the pilot’s rank as Midshipman. He was posted in to RAF Errol as part of No.35 A.F.U. (63 Naval) Course, sometime in Feb. 1943.
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I did make some brief enquiries but the Loch is looked after by Scottish Natural Heritage and it’s difficult to get any kind craft even a canoe on there. SNH don’t want anyone on there except if they are fishermen and the Loch being Scotlands national trout fishing center is very heavily policed.
I thought that might be the case. On the other hand, SNH, like other government departments, is also very mindful of the need to be seen to be doing something of importance. I would have thought that a survey to find out what is in Loch Leven could be deemed as important. Bringing in gear to recover anything, would be a completely different matter. :diablo:
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Hold fire chaps. I have read the ORB for 56 OTU and there is no recovery mentioned, but as the unit would not have been involved in any recovery, there would be no reason to record it.
A better source of info would be the records of the unit that salvaged crashed wrecks in that particular area. Some of these units could go to great lengths to recover aircraft, and Loch Leven is pretty accessible…
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Alison,
I’ve read about them, most probably in the 56 OTU ORB, of which I have a copy. There is nothing in it about a recovery. The area around Loch Leven was used by that unit for low flying training, and tragically, crashes were frequent.
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