You are right, the airlines have a better chance of raising yield where there are more air intensive sectors, although I would dispute the importance of Edinburgh being second to London as a business centre based on work I do. Tourist markets tend to be lower yield though and so a strong tourist market is not necessarily the answer.
I could agree that EDI may be stronger than some regional airports which have or may receive other long haul routes, but bear in mind the proximity to GLA makes these two airports almost serve the same cities (sorry all you GLA/EDI fans, but they do!). In the case of EK they are probably willing to accept that passengers must travel from Edinburgh to GLA in order to keep operating costs down, it is always cheaper to fly from one airport than two! Furthermore we do not know what deals BAA is willing to make regarding each airport.
I guess that depends on what type of work you do then. 😉 I shall try and find some figures etc to back up what I have said.
As for operating from the two airports, if the time ever comes that EK look to go 2x daily at GLA, I bet the odds of them starting from EDI instead would be high, that way they would be entitled to more subsidies. 😉 I’m not inclined to agree with you entirely, as CO have shown it is possible to operate from both airports with little or no impact on any existing service. You may also find this news article of interest: 😉
You are right, the airlines have a better chance of raising yield where there are more air intensive sectors, although I would dispute the importance of Edinburgh being second to London as a business centre based on work I do. Tourist markets tend to be lower yield though and so a strong tourist market is not necessarily the answer.
I could agree that EDI may be stronger than some regional airports which have or may receive other long haul routes, but bear in mind the proximity to GLA makes these two airports almost serve the same cities (sorry all you GLA/EDI fans, but they do!). In the case of EK they are probably willing to accept that passengers must travel from Edinburgh to GLA in order to keep operating costs down, it is always cheaper to fly from one airport than two! Furthermore we do not know what deals BAA is willing to make regarding each airport.
I guess that depends on what type of work you do then. 😉 I shall try and find some figures etc to back up what I have said.
As for operating from the two airports, if the time ever comes that EK look to go 2x daily at GLA, I bet the odds of them starting from EDI instead would be high, that way they would be entitled to more subsidies. 😉 I’m not inclined to agree with you entirely, as CO have shown it is possible to operate from both airports with little or no impact on any existing service. You may also find this news article of interest: 😉
I always though Leeds was the 2nd largest business centre? LOL, must be wrong then! 🙂
Maybe in England? :confused: All I know is that in the UK, London is tops, followed by Edinburgh.
I always though Leeds was the 2nd largest business centre? LOL, must be wrong then! 🙂
Maybe in England? :confused: All I know is that in the UK, London is tops, followed by Edinburgh.
To some extent you are right….BUT if you look at detailed CAA stats these show regional demand, and bearing in mind that CO have got into many markets first then actually there isn’t a huge amount of demand left to fill capacity. I certainly don’t think we have seen the last of long haul airlines starting regional routes, that is not what I am saying at all (because I know it not to be the case), but you can offer all the capacity in the world and you won’t necessarily have the demand to make routes viable. Remember, yields on these sorts of routes tend to be lower because of providing a ‘through ticket’ price. Only the point to point traffic is higher yield, and this often makes flying from regional airports more expensive as the airlines try to claw back some money. That is why often (I’m NOT saying always!) it is cheaper to fly via a hub than direct.
I can see where are you are coming from, especially now, with the help of CO alone virtually anywhere in the US is likely to only be one-stop away from a fair number of regional airports this summer, and beyond.
But, that’s where the scope for regional growth from EK, Qatar etc could come in, as the success of EK has already highlighted.
As for yield, this is true, although would it be a fair assumption to make that yield from EDI is likely to be stronger (strongest?) than other regional airports given it’s status and it’s popularity with tourists and being an important business centre, second in both only to London, infact.
To some extent you are right….BUT if you look at detailed CAA stats these show regional demand, and bearing in mind that CO have got into many markets first then actually there isn’t a huge amount of demand left to fill capacity. I certainly don’t think we have seen the last of long haul airlines starting regional routes, that is not what I am saying at all (because I know it not to be the case), but you can offer all the capacity in the world and you won’t necessarily have the demand to make routes viable. Remember, yields on these sorts of routes tend to be lower because of providing a ‘through ticket’ price. Only the point to point traffic is higher yield, and this often makes flying from regional airports more expensive as the airlines try to claw back some money. That is why often (I’m NOT saying always!) it is cheaper to fly via a hub than direct.
I can see where are you are coming from, especially now, with the help of CO alone virtually anywhere in the US is likely to only be one-stop away from a fair number of regional airports this summer, and beyond.
But, that’s where the scope for regional growth from EK, Qatar etc could come in, as the success of EK has already highlighted.
As for yield, this is true, although would it be a fair assumption to make that yield from EDI is likely to be stronger (strongest?) than other regional airports given it’s status and it’s popularity with tourists and being an important business centre, second in both only to London, infact.
BA already codeshare on AA’s services from regional UK airports, why compete against each other?
Regional airports being MAN and GLA? Even GLA is summer only. There is scope for more services from regional airports than the handful that BA currently codeshare on.
BA already codeshare on AA’s services from regional UK airports, why compete against each other?
Regional airports being MAN and GLA? Even GLA is summer only. There is scope for more services from regional airports than the handful that BA currently codeshare on.
Looks good, I’m a fan of the HLX livery, very distinctive.
From what I’ve read it could be doing CGN-NCL at some point.
Looks good, I’m a fan of the HLX livery, very distinctive.
From what I’ve read it could be doing CGN-NCL at some point.
The reason for that? BA is in our neck of the woods, they offer connections to just about everywhere from LHR and LGW.
RIP – I know mate, I quoted you wrong and I apoligise.
Grey – I always welcome growth from any airport, no matter what the route or airport, even that shed in Doncaster (Just joking :diablo: )
No need to apologise, we all make mistakes. 😉
BA being part of the Oneworld alliance surely would mean that a whole load of connections would be available once you arrive in the US with AA, maybe not so many from the other end though. (UK regional airports) 😉
The reason for that? BA is in our neck of the woods, they offer connections to just about everywhere from LHR and LGW.
RIP – I know mate, I quoted you wrong and I apoligise.
Grey – I always welcome growth from any airport, no matter what the route or airport, even that shed in Doncaster (Just joking :diablo: )
No need to apologise, we all make mistakes. 😉
BA being part of the Oneworld alliance surely would mean that a whole load of connections would be available once you arrive in the US with AA, maybe not so many from the other end though. (UK regional airports) 😉
Gentlemen, gentlemen!!! 🙂
Can’t we all agree that any expansion at any regional airport is good news for us all? 😀
Good news for Scotland and GLA
I think I already did so in my first post. 😉
Gentlemen, gentlemen!!! 🙂
Can’t we all agree that any expansion at any regional airport is good news for us all? 😀
Good news for Scotland and GLA
I think I already did so in my first post. 😉
Yeah, but what i’m saying is, if they are having about a 50% increase in seats at GLA, why would they suddenly start at EDI?
Just because they fly from MAN doesen’t mean they are going to start NCL,DSA,LBA,LPL etc etc.
Now, now, I didn’t say suddenly! I didn’t even saw it would happen. All I did say is that would increase what, if any, chance EDI has of getting service from EK (maybe even another airline in that region) at some point in the future. I am confident that EDI will get a flight to that region before the decade is out.
its does not work like that 1 for me 1 for you
Right…. You go and try to tell that to CO, CSA and Flyglobespan.