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  • in reply to: Libyan Air Force Mirage F.1's in Malta #2333683
    luca
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    Libyan MiGs

    I have heard (there are rumours) that Libyan MiGs are tough opponents in a dogfight ??

    http://books.google.com/books?printsec=frontcover&id=vjUcnGdH10wC#v=onepage&q&f=false

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2351222
    luca
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    It’s simple, how we should deduce far more difficult things?? …there are plenty of wise guys here, let’s hear them !
    Just use figures from graph, say, 28 deg per sec and 7.5 g load at as I see 0.44 mach and figure out what density and altitude corresponds.

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2351822
    luca
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    What about aircraft capability ?
    Instantaneous turns ?

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2352845
    luca
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    Yeah, but we’d like to see a/c capability, not pilot’s.
    F-14 did achieve highest dynamic and trimmed alpha of US fighters before F-18 mostly because of difficult naval TO/Land requirements and Hi-Mach (at aft a.c./wing sweep) control in pitch. Planform area to weight ratio also is good so are instant.turns. Dynamic T/W is somewhat behind F-4. Dynamic mil.T/W worst than A-6 Intruder. Lift to drag below M 0.8 exceptional. Roll rate at Hi alpha very good but (with crossed controls) aircraft is on the spin edge. A/c can fly at Mach 2.3 but due to unstable engine operation, operational limit is below M2.

    What about Eagle’s instantaneous turns ?

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2354770
    luca
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    I assume that F-14 was projected as a 7,5 g airplane but operational symmetrical structural limit was 6.5 g (rolling 5.2 g) at 50000 lb weight or ~ 6 g with half fuel and 8 m/sraams.
    Is F-15C 9g or 7.3g a/c at say 37400 lb weight ? I assume that overload WS works above 7.33g. I’m not aware of any structural strengthening in C model, just administrative one that reduces service life.
    Flight above limit load factor (say 1.2 times LLF) causes permanent structure deformation while at much higher load (say 1.5 times LLF), break occurs.

    It turned out that F-110 engine has only 1000 kg higher installed thrust at Mach 0.9 sea level than TF-30 so 14D could not shine at that part of envelope, maybe it is somewhat better than slatted F-4. I reckon F-14A instantaneous turns at say 40000 ft with ½ fuel and 8 aams are Mach 0.8- 3.5g, M 1.2- 5.7g, M 1.6- 6.85g, M 2- “9”g.
    What about Eagle ?

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2355529
    luca
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    Higher thrust in F-14 improves sustained turns and sep, still not to the F-15 class, max lift turns (instantaneous) and transient performance remains the same…

    9g achieved is not the same as operational g. MiG-25 achieved 11g and stayed in one piece. F-16 achieved 90+ alpha…

    in reply to: F-14/15 early competition #2355601
    luca
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    djcross, I think you’re right about pitch pointing, like most naval planes, because of TO/Land requirements.
    André1967, somebody told me that during F-14 farewell ceremony, pilots laughed when fighter attributes was mentioned.
    In fact I never saw so many issues/limitations to think about during flight as in F-14.
    Phaid, I understand that any F-15 is cleared for 7.33 g at 17000 kg weight. Any higher weight means proportionally lower allowed load factor. I remember when F-15E was entering, one could read in serious magazines that it can pull 9 g with 11000 kg warload.
    I think that foreign F-15 can be cleared for 9 g at reduced service life.
    What about instantaneous turns, are they as of F-14 ?

    in reply to: To MiG-21 Operators…… #2362183
    luca
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    Here is component weight for UM.
    Longitudinal reference plane for moment calculation is 600 mm aft of the plane of frame No16 or about at fuselage drop tank junction.
    A/c weight depends on lot, every newer 21 model is heavier.

    in reply to: To MiG-21 Operators…… #2362646
    luca
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    Here is one weights table…I’ll also look at W&B documents

    in reply to: To MiG-21 Operators…… #2364929
    luca
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    Maybe lift curve graph explains 21’s slow speeds (that vortex lift) ?

    in reply to: roll-rate data of jets #2381404
    luca
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    Sure it is correct.
    Most fighters are directionally unstable above 15-20 deg AOA even without roll input. Fortunately lateral stability helps.
    During aileron rolls, 4.th gen. fighter’s ARI adds rudder automatically for rolling…

    “At speeds and alphas close to stall, typical supersonic fighter response to aileron input is opposite – left stick produces roll to the right. Down going, right aileron generates more drag than left aileron and aircraft sideslips to the right – “adverse yaws”. Roll moment of the sideslip (lateral stability)overpowers aileron’s roll moment. In that case rudder is more effective for roll control. At some higher α rudder effectiveness diminishes and lateral controls can be used for directional control. That means if one wants to roll, up to 10-20º α it would use ailerons, after that rudders are safer and more effective (either one can force the aircraft to the spin) and at higher α, where rudder lose effectiveness, opposite aileron can be only yaw and thus roll control.” ….source:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Fighter-Performance-in-Practice-F-4-Phantom-vs-MIG-21_W0QQitemZ290490431752QQcategoryZ2228QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m444QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DSI%252BUA%252BLM%252BLA%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4815990259887496461

    Aircraft can be designed laterally unstable for max roll rate and acceleration, but dynamic directional stability would suffer, besides constant need for lateral trimming.
    Upper graph depicts response to roll command for pure lateral controls and for one refined with Command Augmentation System / ARI.
    Lower diagram shows roll rate vs static longitudinal stability (usual +2% to -10%). Roll rate decay with increased longitudinal instability is because of need to arrest more pronounced inertial coupling.

    in reply to: roll-rate data of jets #2382235
    luca
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    And what are the Su-27’s inst.&sust. turn rates, official ?

    Flanker roll rate at 1g – low alpha is one thing and at high g/hi alpha another.
    Size of fighter is not so dis/advantageous but roll surfaces area or roll control moment to roll inertia ratio. Aircraft can have full span ailerons like these small aerobatic planes, but wing structure has to be heavier for the same max q speed.

    in reply to: roll-rate data of jets #2382422
    luca
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    Maybe, roll rate is more important in turn (for turn reversals) where roll at lift counts??
    Whether fighter, under these conditions can roll at 50 deg per sec (dps) or 5 dps or roll command will produce roll in opposite direction or it will even cause spin entry ???
    There are all these Aileron Alone Departure and other parameters and derivatives …

    in reply to: Making the best of MiG-21 #2382648
    luca
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    … calling the clumsy elephant F-4…

    Yeah, F-4 is often called by pilots “Flying Brick”, does it really stands ?
    What is the Lift to Drag ratio of MiG-21 and F-4 and where are the F-35 and F-22 ?

    in reply to: Making the best of MiG-21 #2378294
    luca
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    MiG-15 era aircraft (with 10% thick wing) buffeting should not happen in a thin, hi-sweep ssonic configurations at 1 g.
    Anybody flew 21 in AB past 1M below 15 Kft ?
    Fuel pump (in military thrust) let the 21F fly from 0.97 to M 1.02 depending on altitude.

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