thanks John
very quick this forum is Good 🙂
Kind Regards
Mike
RAF Shawbury
I think it was RAF Shawbury might be worth investigating that line
Swordfish Startup
Here you go chaps this is how you start a ‘Stringbag’ with the HANDLE !
In the case of the Merlin, it`s only a hand-turning gear, with the exception of the Hurricane, (and therefore possibly the Henley?), which used a chain and sprockets to transfer that input to a cross-shaft through the lower cowling which enabled two ground crew to start it together.
Although it will fire, it is virtually impossible to start one by the hand-turning gear due to the 15:1 ratio.
Most other hand operated starters on large engines were inertia, and as mentioned, these need to be wound up for a couple of minutes to put energy into a high speed flywheel which is then released by the pilot usually.
One exception seems to be the Napier Lion, although it`s about 24 litres it has a geared-down input from a handle.
Smaller engines, like the Bestmann, and the Zundapp in the Zaunkoenig were also cranked through a geared drive.This video shows how demoralising an inertia starter can be!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5LBUVS1T8&playnext=1&list=PL58C603E92E043F17&index=16Pete
Yes Pete that was exactly how it was with the stringbag but we didn’t have the luxury of a wing each !
Kind Regards
Mike
Have you tried to hand crank a Fighter
When I was in the RAF in the 1970’s the Royal Navy Historic flight turned up at our base (RAF Lyneham) and me and my mate were sent out as refuel and start crew.
the Fairey Firefly was easy (electric starter we had a gpu) but the Swordish was a bitch
The crew chief gave us the handle, you had to stand on the tyre then
first ‘smiler’ my mate started spinning the crank (It felt like stirring thick mud with a big shovel) then I helped him to really get it turning with both of us going hammer and tongs on the bloody handle before she would start !
we were knackered after 2 minutes spinning and both of us were fit 18 year olds
Trying to hand crank a 27 litre supercharged merlin engine ? I think I will stick to the trollyacc (batteries in a barrow) which is what they used in WWII
Kind Regards
Mike
Wing Commander
Used a Number of Lightning F6 noses for the ‘Rapier Fighters’
There was a british film called “High Flight” starring Anthony Newley about trainee pilots in the RAF which featured a civilian Auster (variety unknown) landing at Cranwell? and a navex in a Valetta perhaps. The finale of the film was the appearance of the “heroes” at Farnborough as far as I can recall.
Mustn’t forget the final scenes in “Casablanca” as Ingrid Bergman flies off into the distance in a Lockheed Ventura?
The terminal building at Shoreham Airport has been used as location for many films and television where its 30’s art deco state adds authenticity to the scene. Often a DC3 is used for the villlain or hero to arrive in; frequently these aircraft are given different liveries in water soluble paint, on either side of the fuselage to represent two separate aircraft.
could it have been a Beagle Husky D5/180 ?. G-AWSW which became XW635 with 5AEF at Teversham was donated to the ATC by Hughie Green
Im pretty sure Peter Holloway said his Bestmann could be hand started.
Great Escape film 1963 Donald Pleasence is cranking the handle on the Bestmann 🙂
Thanks for the update, in November it was quoted from RAF Lyneham that Mon 4th July was the last herc out of Lyneham, In December I then got an invite to the final flight /close ceremony Wed 25th May 2011 from the SWO !
so who knows what is going on
the main thing is we save SAGGY
Regards
Mike
I havent see the report but my last visit to Lyneham August 2010 I did a close walk around Saggy and felt she is in pretty good shape the RAF did a good job on the exterior (I have 30 + years in aviation engineering RAF, BA, Monarch, BAe and Marshalls) interior wise is a different matter with mould and mildew, a steam clean and replace the floor beams with marine ply and you will have a good workable base to start but again not as bad as the comet at Cosford (if you look close at that aircraft it IMHO is in worse shape than SAGGY)
the other factor is this is still an operation base and currently have a specialist team on site carefully taking the old C130K’s to bits. I read NAM had set aside some monies to purchase the Nimrod
I can’t help feeling some one is missing a trick here, a museum if it plays it right they could get a bargain basement Comet and the money saved could go to help restore her ??
1. you have the RAF engineering personell who could dismantle saggy (They leave May)
2. The specialist team currently moving hercs might be willing to help move saggy for a nominal fee (don’t know till you ask as they say ??)(Again they leave soon)
even after the aircraft reaches the ‘Museum’ while it is in bits a proper assessment could be made I am sure if saggy can make the journey she can be restored. The feedback I am getting so far is “We have looked at the report, we have not physically seen the aircraft so based on that we are not interested”
Mike
OK so after the museums have taken their ”sensible considered decision” what do YOU suggest we do to save SAGGY?
2011 Update
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1685791#post1685791
The orginal report in 2009 is pretty bad 2 museums have walked away !
Saggy needs our Help !
Regards
Mike