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  • in reply to: How would you westernize the Su-33? #2036488
    arquebus
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    I am a bit puzzled – are you saying that the Su-33 needs further development to operate from a carrier? Or are trying to get at what would be needed to turn the Su-33 in to a plane designed to operate of a CATOBAR carrier?

    Youre thread asks how to “Westernize” the Su-33, and by that I take to mean that you want to increase range and load carrying ability of this jet, as well of course to add to its weapons and sensors capability. If youre happy with the range and load carrying ability that the Su-33 already has, then you can ignore everything Ive said and just concentrate on new weapons and sensors for this aircraft. All Im saying is that increasing wing are of this jet wont work, so if you want a jet with more range and payload you have to start from scratch and design a new jet.

    F-22 may, or may not, be able to catch up with EF due to TVC,

    TVC? What is that thrust vectoring?

    in reply to: Me. 262 in action #1122859
    arquebus
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    In terms of comparative jet performance, the Vampire wasn’t going to enter service by say Jan45 and the MkI Meteor hasn’t got a show against contemporaries (MkIII is a different story), so it comes down to the P-80A-1 and the Me-262A-1a, and both have some serious engine issues.

    The P-80 Shooting star was very successful, it saw combat in Korea as the F-80. A lengthed 2 seat version became the T-33 trainer, still in service here in the Mexican Airforce

    in reply to: How would you westernize the Su-33? #2036530
    arquebus
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    Reality 1: Lower wing loading = generally better agility

    If that were true all fighters with a light wing loading would be great dog fighters, does the Mig-21 strike you as being agile? Even if the Mig-21 had a better thrust to weight ratio would that make it agile? I think its safer to say that fighters with a low wing loading AND a large tailplane in relation to wings size = generally better agility, Su-27 and F-22 both certainly qualify in that regard. In the case of the Su-27, the fact that its not FBW works to its advantage, becuase center of gravity is ahead of center of lift, this allows the plane to stall “properly” which works against the leading edge strake of the wings which counts as a lifting surface that shifts the center of lift well ahead of the center of lift of the wing itself even though its not calculated as wing area. This gives the Su-22 its ability to pull off ridiculously high AoA maneuvers like the cobra, well beyond the normal angle of attack that would be produced just by tail surface working against the wing, and the forward center of gravity corrects for it by stalling back to neutral after speed bleeds off…simple yet brilliant. This trick doesnt work with the Hornet because the Hornet is FBW. Although the leading edge strakes of the Hornet do allow it to achieve extreme AoA, it remains deep stalled in that high AoA and only has its 1 to 1 thrust to weight ratio to mush through in this condition. If The Hornets thrust to weight ratio was not unity, the aircraft would be completely worthless and extremely dangerous to fly as it would lose total control in a stall. For FBW jets its best to stick with the simple F-22 solution of very large tailplane to counter a large wing, such a jet remains very controllable even at extreme AoA.

    in reply to: 1 seat good 2 seats bad? #2379166
    arquebus
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    What about the element of emotional or psychological support, when comparing 1 seat vs 2 seats.

    There may be stressful scenarios, where 2 pilots are better than 1.

    One thing to consider is safety support. There should be an emergency joystick that the rear pilot can access if the front seater gets killed in action so the plane can be flown back

    in reply to: How would you westernize the Su-33? #2036548
    arquebus
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    The Mig-29/Su-27 series of aircraft are the most agile dogfighting jets in existence because of their high wing loading. If you were to increase their wing area they lose their ultra-agility. The F-22 has a low wing loading but maintains maneuverability by having very large elevator tail surfaces in relation to its wing size. This trick only works because the F-22 is FBW, as illogical as it sounds, the F-22’s huge barn door size elevator provides lift in level flight even when its providing down force in counter of wing lift. So increasing wing area to the Su-33 is out of the question, the only option for the UK is to start with a clean sheet of paper and design a naval jet like the F-22.

    in reply to: Fantasy fighters #2379695
    arquebus
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    I was discussing the idea of converting jets with geogen by pm, as it turns out he is into upgrading fighters with cranked arrow wings. So he suggested makeing a 3D model of the Ching Kuo F-CK-1 to have a cranked arrow wing.

    the reference drawing he gave me to work by
    http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2091/aidfx3.jpg

    Ching Kuo with cranked arrow wing
    http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3286/35463355.png

    with cranked arrow wing and stretched
    http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1289/ck1.png

    underside
    http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4549/ck2o.png

    frontal view
    http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4140/ck3.png

    and here is a pic if you forgot what the Ching Kuo looks like
    http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2457/fck1007a.jpg

    in reply to: Me. 262 in action #1124717
    arquebus
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    There is the Stormbird project where volunteers build 5 Me-262s, they were in posession of 85% of the original design drawings.
    http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html

    here is airshow footage of one of the jets they produced
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8olc8KddOe4

    in reply to: Gripen XL #2380583
    arquebus
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    any ideas of an engine mod?

    Im pretty sure it doesnt need to be modded, the F-16 XL uses the same engine as the regular F-16. The enormous wing area brings such a reduction in wing loading that easily offsets anything the weight increase would induce on handling. Infact I would say that the F-16 XL would have greatly increased handling and stall characteristics over the regular F-16 at low speeds.

    in reply to: Gripen XL #2380721
    arquebus
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    its a nice idea, but i must agree with kramer. there is no gripen XL market.
    Today there is only one 2 fightertypes on the market.
    Big domination fighters (F-22 SU-30)
    Multirole(Rafale, F-16 gripen, mig 35 etc..)

    Fighterbombers etc is out, and it also seems, really long legs are out.

    If you need long legs, buy a MKI or Rafale with external tanks.

    Youre ideas about the fighter market are only true on this forum and not in the real world. 3rd world countries are not going to buy the Rafale or Eurofighter, end of story. Both the Rafale and Eurofighter cost twice as much as an F-16 and yet niether have a 1 to 1 thrust to weight ratio as the F-16 does. Hardly anyone wants to buy F-16s because the US will slap an embargo any time it feels like.

    The Gripen’s NG improvements make it comparable to its contemporaries, not make it stand out above them.

    in reply to: Me. 262 in action #1127596
    arquebus
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    Just taking an educated guess at this, but I wonder if rapid deceleration would have had an adverse effect on the engines and whether this was the reason airbrakes weren’t used. It’s my understanding that the BMW 003 and Jumo 004 could both flame out in relatively mild turbulence, and so upsetting the intake airflow would not have been desirable.

    The Me-262 had a take-off weight of 14,000 pounds, a relatively high wing loading compared to fighters of the day, and was powered by two engines of 1980 pounds of thrust each at MAX power. Reducing power AND opening airbrakes was not an option with such a jet. This jet had extremely high take off and landing speed and could barely retract the landing gear in time to avoid exceeding its max extended gear speed.

    in reply to: Me. 262 in action #1128074
    arquebus
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    Jumo 004 produced 1980 pounds of thrust and the engine itself weighed 1800 pounds. In comparison the J-85, a very popular turbojet engine used in the F-5 fighter and many other jets produces 2850 pounds of thrust and only weighs 395 pounds. It took a long time for the Me-262 to build up speed, so much time that it had to be escorted by piston engined fighters at takeoff until it built up enough speed to not be vulnerable to attack by enemy fighters. Once at combat speed it had very impressive handling, especially its ability to maintain speed in a turn, its turning ability would easily outclass modern jet fighters.

    in reply to: 1 seat good 2 seats bad? #2380971
    arquebus
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    You want 2 seats for defense fighters that are looking for enemy a/c in your own airspace. You want 2 seats when you do fighting at bvr or at night. You only need 1 seat for GCI. You only need 1 seat when you are looking for enemies in hostile airspace because having radar turned on in a fighter sends out a message to surrounding enemy aircraft saying “come and get me” or “you better leave because Im looking for you”.

    in reply to: Gripen XL #2381270
    arquebus
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    But arquebus – good concept idea ovearll. You get credit for the effort and innovation. BTW, what powerplant would you suggest for your XL-NG? Opportunity to reintroduce the Thrust-reverse ability? How about a couple conformal rail points for Meteor, a la EF?

    thanks georgen,
    I would hope it could use the same powerplant as the F-16 XL uses the same as the regular F-16. I think really large airbrakes like on the F-15 would suffice rather than thrust reverser. I think Sweden used thrust reversers on their Viggen because they were counting on their jets to be able to use roads and forest clearings to operate from in case their bases were attacked. And conformal hardpoints are something that really makes the F-16 XL stand out as an attack aircraft, being able to carry a full warload that only causes minimal drag by conforming to the fuselage.

    in reply to: Gripen XL #2381610
    arquebus
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    ok, Im done modeling, and I think my models prove that extention works well for this airframe

    here is the original fuselage shape:
    http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2450/77761030.jpg

    and here is the stretched version:
    http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3662/35079095.jpg

    frontal view of the stretched model
    http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3293/42027029.jpg

    bottom view
    http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3341/42669504.jpg

    in reply to: Gripen XL #2381693
    arquebus
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    matt-

    I think what Sweden wants is to be able to produce a cheap fighter that can compete with the F-16. Neither the EFA or Rafale are cheap fighters meant for 3rd world countries. The Gripen NG is a barely noticeable increase in what is just a short range point defence fighter, something that is no longer desired in modern combat. Also there is a huge increase in range and load carrying ability between the regular F-16 and F-16 XL so I think if the Gripen were modified in such a way, it would finally put something on the market to be a serious alternative to the F-16

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