That have been shot down by PAF fighters…
It only took the PAF air defense an hour or so to do it, all the while the UAV travelling 100+km at about 5-10km penetration inside Pak territory and “listening” and taking pics all the way. Good job!
All that info for the IAF for the cost of a few hundred thousand dollars. Pretty reasonable trade off.
BTW, can’t what you said also be said about the PN MPAs 😀 At least the PN MPA spent less than a few mins inside Indian territory before being intercepted. So don’t worry, the PN’s MPAs won’t be forgotten in the future either. 😉
Thats quite unfair of you Victor. 🙂
Don’t forget the Herons 😀
Probably India willing to pay more and/or work out a deal with the gas pricing, etc. There’s always more than one way to skin a cat, if the people have a desire to skin the cat.
The less said about Baraks performance the better. If it WAS switched in by the Israeli ship, then thats really bad news for any Barak user.
You do realize that the Hanit also had the Phalanx right? 😉
So, let’s rephrase what you said:
The less said about PHALANX performance the better. If it WAS switched in by the Israeli ship, then thats really bad news for any PHALANX user.
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The advantge is not a huge one. PN also has Sea King and the Sea Lynx as well as Chinese Z-9C Helcopter on order.
[b]But in terms if helicopter assetts yes, IN outnumbers PN by a significant margin, as well as in ships.
So, what is it? “Not a huge” advantage or “significant margin”?
If you’re going to throw in the Marlins and the Z-9s, might as well throw in the Scorpenes, Akula(s), and whatever the IN chooses to replace the oldest sixteen Seakings with another eight on options.
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Its fair to say we mean long range fixed wing aircraft when talking about MPAs. Thats the definition most people use.
IN helicopters wont be operating Maritime Patrol on their own from shore bases. They will be attached to ships. Ships that will targeted by MPAs.
Oh, my mistake, I thought we were comparing the ASW and ASUW capabilities of the IN and PN. So, I agree, let’s take out one of the biggest advantages the IN enjoys over the PN (the ASW/ASUW/AEW helos) out of the equation to make it a fair fight.
I dont wont to offend you with this question, but I am suuming you know the difference between an MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT and a helicopter right? Thats what we are discussing here.
I don’t mean to offend but you do know that a helicopter is also an aircraft right? And the ones I mentioned also perform maritime patrol. Shocking, I know. 😮
How is the IN MPA force “far ahead”!?
Nine Ka-31s, around fifteen Seaking Mk.42A/B, and about thirteen Ka-28s.
That’s a pretty significant force in and of itself. Plus take into account that all these can be and are organically deployed aboard SAGs and they can provide a very practical surface and subsurface picture around the SAG. Maybe the IN can’t sanitize the entire IOR of PN subs but they certainly have the assets to take care the battlespace that it chooses.
With the Orions, ex-Greek ships and F-22s, I dont think we have sacrificed any capability.
Only now, when funds are less of a problem has the PN directed its attention to the surface and aviation fields. When it was crunch time, during the mid 90s and early 2000, the PN threw most of what it could at the subs, at the expence of the surface fleet.
Hindsight being 20/20, that was the exact right decision. The PN had very meager resources compared to the PA and PAF and decided to use those resources towards the only credible threat they could mount against the IN: the subs.
With more funds available, the PN can now bring the capability up fleet wide but the years of neglect to the surface and aviation arms will be felt till the F22s and the Orions are inducted.
The most modern sub fleet in the Gulf/Indian Ocean (obviously barring USN),with anotehr 6 of a new design is quite remarkable.
The sub capability was acquired at the expense of the surface capability and naval aviation capability. Neither of which are very awe inspiring. But the sub capability of the PN is definitely something not to be dismissed.
The only caveat is that the surface fleet will be getting stronger with the F22s and the aviation side is getting a lot stronger with the P-3s.
Probably a lot more with brahmos-A.
Russian weapons will not be integrated on US platforms. Period. Let the IN decide what platform it wants first then the talk of exact weapons and their approval can follow. I believe ATR is in the fray with an ATR-72 based platform. Russia has more Il-38SDs on offer. The US has the P-8 in the race. IN has already rejected the P-3 as an option. IIRC.
Er, becuase you cant operate P-3C/P-8 without Harpoon
So, a P-3 or a P-8 can’t even take off without at least one Harpoon attached to it?
NG had to lobby hard to release the source code for the UAE Falcons.
Also, as BIO has said countless times, the Congress doesn’t approve an arms sale until someone requests it. India hasn’t requested Harpoons, hence there’s no need to approve it yet.
NG is currently also pushing the E-2C (Hawkeye 2000) and perhaps the E-2D to the IN.
How exactly is the West supposed to make certain Arab states accept the reality of Israel’s existence? Every Arab state that has accepted Israel lives in lasting peace with Israel.