While we’re on the EL/M-2022A, I’d like to plug this rather nice [url=http://www.iai.co.il/STORAGE/files/0/32670.wmv%5DMOVIE[/url] highlighting some of the radar’s capabilities 😀
You may want to save to the computer first though… kind of a slow connection, at least for me.
A Hawkeye on the ADS and/or Gorshkov would definitely have a multiplicative effect on the whole battle group’s capabilities. With the Ka-31s doing their thing along with the Hawkeyes, the CVB would be able to control a much larger volume of space.
What’s Australia’s gripe with Indonesia anyway? It’s like Spain citing Morocco as its prime threat.
Dude
I really dont think the Indian government goes around disrupting lucrative trade relations in the hope of having a tiny chance of delaying a weapons deal, the threat of retaliation is too big for it to be cosndiered “low risk”….
Dude, you can go think whatever you want…
Victor
We are going round in circles here. I dont think you understanjd what I am saying. Yes, India can do that, I stated thyat myself, but like China, it will have little or no effect. If the Indian Army tell teh government to buy Bofors or another Swedish iteam, the Indian government wont deny them this just because Pakistan is buying RBS-70, do you now understand?
What I am saying is that there are means to put spanners in an advesary’s acquisition plans. Does it always succeed? Nope. But is it a low cost, low risk method of potential disruption? Yes.
Your understanding of trade relations is over simplified. China can simply give a huge airliner contract to Boeing instead of Airbus to show its displeasure.
And what do you think India can do with a $6 billion 60-80 plane order? Your contention is that China can take punitive trade measures but somehow India must play by the rules? That is over simplification or worse…
Victor
I would not be suprised if Chinas trade with EU countries was ten times that figure. The pure and simple fact is that when it comes to high tech weapons, countries like India, China and Pakistan need countries like US, Sweden and France far more then they need us. I dont think you should be under any illusions about that……
Not necessarily. The seller doesn’t need the buyer any more or less than the buyer needs the seller. The buyer needs the high tech, the seller needs the market.
Also, regarding trade, China can’t just decide not to trade with a major country, especially a country in the EU. China, as much as people want to believe otherwise, is governed by the same rules as anyone else, especially under the WTO regime.
Not really, at one point in the 90s Dassult were offering M2K-5s to IAF and PAF at the same time, its no big problem whatsoever.
Serious aqusition plans are a long and complex process and wont stop because an other country makes an offer. Look at France and the M2K-5 sale to Tawain? The Chinese could not stop it despite there huge trade with France, and with respect, India does not have as much clout as China…
Let France even try to sell anything to Taiwan now and see the Goldengecko’s reaction.
India may not have as much economic clout as China holistically but China isn’t the one with a pending $2 billion sub and $4 billion aircraft deal pending with the French. Not to mention the $2 billion artillery deal where Swedish Defence Systems is the current front runner.
It’s not a guarantee for sure but it sure is a low cost method of putting big monkey wrenches in people’s acquisition plans 🙂
It would be good if the Indian side made a request to Saab for the Gripen. Why not use a low cost pawn (a request for possible purchase) to block a high cost bishop (PAF getting the Grippen)? At the worst, it could delay the Pakistani purchase, at best it can derail the whole thing. 🙂
Pawn takes bishop… any day. 😉
with just 3-4 max needed, LM has no incentive to come up with any fix to the problem. They would do something only if the USN needed it.
Not necessarily! You’re forgetting the other big carrier project: CVF. As it stands now, the CVF is meant to carry the Hawkeye 2000. Each CVF, around three including the French CdG follow-on, is to carry four Hawkeyes.
Hypothetically, if India was to be interested, it could lump its order with that of the CVF’s. That is if the H-2000 was even open to India and if India was interested and if the Gorshkov and ADS designs were able to accomodate at lease two H-2000s.
Below, I think, is one of the final CVF flight deck layouts:
And these are the supposed layouts of the Gorshkov and ADS, respectively:

Notice that all of the designs have a takeoff runway that can be the full lenght of the boat. The CVF is the extreme case. Just points to ponder. Incorporating the H-2000 onto the Indian carriers may not be impossible nor improbable.
Ideals don’t protect borders…
Ideals are good for brow beating others 🙂
The previous upgrade had fuel and oil leaks in and around the engines. IAI fixed the problems under warranty as was provided in the contract.
No big deal…
Thanks for indulging, I’m done…
To Che
The support for Israel by the US has nothing to do with any Judeo-Christian(-Hindu) conspiracy against Islam. It is neither a support for the “good guys” (the Israelis) vs the bad guys (the Palestinians). In that fight, there is no one who is bereft of bloody hands.
Let’s put it plainly, as long as other Middle Eastern countries have leverage over the US via oil, the US will always use Israel as a leverage against them. It doesn’t matter if the Arab countries exercise that leverage or not (as in 75) but the US will not will not give up the leverage it has via Israel.
It’s not about right or wrong, good or bad, it’s all about “the game”.
Same with India. India supported, whole heartedly, the Palestinian and other Arab causes for 40+ years to Israel’s detriment. What did it get India? A big fat ZERO! Having good technical, political, and economic relations with Israel has borne more fruits for India in the last 10 years than the 40+ years of support India has given the Palestinians.
Plain and simple: having good relations with Israel has a higher RoI than with the Palestinians. Has nothing to do with bigotry, good vs. bad, Hindu vs. Islam. Just the way the world works.