Don’t be sure of that.

Stealth is all abt surprise. Unvails it too early and you lost it.

Don’t take me wrong, your analysis is right. But keep in mind that China is on the verge to switch its 4th gen fighters with “J” something “look a like” 5th Gen. That needs a lot of ELINT.

The other theory is that China built the ADIZ to get a safe playground for its new (untrained) carrier force. By making round under the protection of the ChAF (PLAAF), Naval aviator don’t take the risk to be force trough an OP tempo too tight to be safe.

Anyhow, there certainly mostly a synergetical answer into this.

Your opinions are noted

In regards to the yanks sending their stealth aircraft in the ADIZ (and holding the japanese by hand in the process), sure go ahead, this will be an excellent opportunity for the chinese air force and air defence to measure and calibrate the effectiveness of their measures planned to be taken against the stealths in case of US attack. Go ahead, make their day …

I don’t think you fully understand what is being discussed here: By opening up this ADIZ so far from home and having to monitor this zone China is providing valuable intelligence on how their air defense system works. Things like radar frequencies, voice procedures, deployment patterns and tactics are being provided on a silver platter to the allies. China is revealing things that have remained cloaked in secrecy since most Chinese air defense operations have been conducted far in the interior of China itself. Now with the ADIZ China is being forced to show its capabilities in a less than permissive environment.

Regarding stealth operations against this Chinese ADIZ it should be remembered that US stealth aircraft by nature were designed to penetrate the dense Russian air defense environment. Since this Chinese system uses mainly Russian equipment or copied versions of Russian hardware, to fly against this Chinese ADIZ presents an opportunity to measure how a Russian based air defense system operates. It is very likely that American stealth aircraft have already penetrated this Chinese ADIZ to see if they have been detected. And the probabilities are that they have gained valuable intelligence without the Chinese knowing it.

This dust up between China and Japan offers a major intelligence opportunty. For once allied powers will be able to monitor PLAAF equipment and tactics in real time. Plus they will be able to stimulate the Chinese, provoke if you will, into to doing things that they might not have wanted to. For example Chinese AWACS radars will be monitored for frequencies being used, ranges, and how they control fighter aircraft in this ADIZ of theirs. I wonder did the Chinese take these side effects into account when they decided to follow this course

If I were Japan or any other power in opposition to China I would have EW aircraft aloft 24/7 recording everything the PLAAF does as I flew aircraft into the ADIZ and caused China to light up hidden radars as China attempts to keep track of aircraft movements in the East China sea ADIZ. If nothing more an electronic battle map of China’s defenses will be created that can be of use in the future

KAL 007 was a tragedy and a terrible accident, and to suggest it was a case of “trigger happiness” is insulting to everyone.

Why do you think China does not have the experience of “controlling” a distant ADIZ?
They’ve operated in airspace from its borders over the crowded east china sea for years before the last week. Did the ADIZ suddenly make all the civilian airliners appear or become potential threats? No, not really. Further, almost all airliners have submitted flight plans, and any half decent AEWC will be able to discern a military aircraft from a civilian one if not from their radar return then from their flight path.

You answered your own question. Until just recently China couldn’t establish a distant ADIZ because they didn’t have the resources nor equipment. And the thing that makes this ADIZ different is the language that China is using to define this ADIZ. The terms “emergency measures” makes this ADIZ sound quite ominous.

Nations are asking their commercial carriers to comply with China’s demands to avoid the risk of a trigger happy PLAAF pilot shooting down a civilian aircraft like what happened to that Korean 747 a few years back. But in my opinion there is going to be an incident anyway. China does not have the experience of controlling a distant ADIZ and is trying to learn as they go along. With warplanes mixed in with commercial traffic it is only a matter of time before an accident will occur.

Add to this that China has painted itself into a corner with the establishment of this ADIZ with such rigid restrictions, the opportunity for misunderstandings are just waiting to happen. Just like what happened to that collision between that Chinese J-8 and that EP-3E off of Hainan island a replay is bound to happen sooner or later.

Finally consider the fact that Japan has shown no inclination to honor the Chinese ADIZ and has in the last few days sent aloft F-15s supported by tankers and an AWACS some clash will happen.

My question is how will the end game play out? China at this point cannot back down. They have placed their national pride on the table. On the other hand Japan and others have decided that they also will not back down due to their own policy reasons which leads to the two scorpions in a bottle scenario.

which of these ships will have a AEW platform of any kind

India has purchased several of these for their AEW needs

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Acording to china´s defence ministry, japanese ships disrupted chinese naval exercices

China Files Protest as Japanese Ships Disrupt Military Exercises – Bloomberg

JMSDF ships were possibly monitoring current PLAN carrier workups. If so I hope some uncensored photos are provided of PLAN carrier operations

More: http://mil.sohu.com/20131101/n389360691_2.shtml

The bar has been raised. Advantage America