But i don get the d-o-t-t-e-d path shown in it flight profile … can someone give me more on that ……

and the new large landing ship, Project-11711. Pic from Igorr

And here are some news articles related to the new ‘frigate’, Project-22350 —- first one posted by Igorr and second one the same fron NY times

RUSSIA TO GET NEW BATTLESHIPS

12:13 | 24/ 05/ 2005

MOSCOW, May 24 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Navy is set to acquire 10 to 20 new battleships by 2015 that will set it back 5 to 10 billion rubles per frigate, Biznes, a business daily, reported.

The keels of a new frigate and a new large amphibious landing ship will be laid July 31 on Navy Day, said Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov, commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy.

The new Mk 22350 multi-role and long-range frigate will conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW) operations, hitting other naval targets. It will take three or four years to complete one frigate, if this project gets regular appropriations.

“Most likely, this project will feature engineering solutions that were used to build Mk 11356 frigates for the Indian Navy,” Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy director of the Center for Analyzing Strategies and Technologies, said.

“This is, in fact, a large destroyer that is called a ‘frigate’ for political reasons,” Mikhail Barabanov, scientific editor of Arms Exports magazine, said.

Experts have some misgivings about the July 31 deadline because a contract is usually awarded after a tender, but as of yet, no tender has been laid out.

According to the navy’s Kuroyedov, the keel of a new large amphibious-landing ship will be finished before the year is out. That ship will displace 8,000 to 9,000 tons.

“The Russian Navy still has two amphibious landing ships that are unfit for action,” Barabanov said. “It will take at least five billion rubles to build this ship.”

If the tender is completed and the contract signed, these will be the first new ships for the navy since the year the Soviet Union collapsed, a navy source said.

“Not a single warship has been designed and built for the Russian Navy since 1991,” he said, adding that the state has now started setting aside money.

The Russian military ship building industry’s recovery has positively influenced armed exports.

“Naval hardware sales will account for 50% of Russian arms-export volumes, or more than $2.5 billion this year,” Rosoboronexport head Sergei Chemezov said.

Russia to Get New Battleships

Improved Udaloy 2? If you think about Novik, she’s dead and buried (well, actually she will serve as a training/test ship).

he was mentioning the model showcased at IMDS 2005, if am not wrong …. and not the Project 12441 Novik.

do u think this cud be the next ship for China after the Sovermennys? ….. it may or may not happen, but if the Project-22350 is not a ship in the class of Udaloy-II, then this cud be the one replacing the Udaloy-II else, i don see the Russian navy filling their inventory with a stop-gap design like this when the far better 22350 is just around the corner … But one thing that i wud not like to see go with these ships to PLAN is ofcourse, the Yakhont ….

20380 is a lame duck, over-corvette and under-frigate, with too much firepower and not enough range and C3ISR capability and she’s facing a lot of criticism from the Navy itself. Likely that the project will thouroughly change after the first line unit (Uran replaced by Onyx and the like).

I got to differ, with 4,000nm and a good load of offensive weapons, its the right ship to take care of the Russian home waters and can also give the bigges added firepower. These with their 8 x Yakhont (might become standard replacing the Urans), its more than enough to secure the Northern, Baltic and Black sea and pound many times, the likes of Norwy, Ukraine & Gerogia and other kids of America in the region, including any ‘reinforcing forces’ from outside, if they try to interfere way too much into Russian national interests. I find these chap very perfect in that role and myself as an Indian wud like these class of ships to make up the ‘inner circle’ and for small opponents (western side & eastern side) freeing the biggies for open ocean.

Indian Navy’s P-28 (ASW, AAW, AShW) is said to be based on these guys and would be complementing & replacing the P-25/P-25A class of pocket destroyers. P-25A fully deseve the name of “Pocket destroyers” as they have the punch of the much bigger and heavier Delhi class of destroyers, with the P-28 likely to carry forward the title of ‘pocket destroyers’ even further.

Aircraft carrier development is scheduled to start in 2015 – imagine when such a project will leave the dry dock.

was it not to start after 2010 and get into service after 2015??….

Emphasis is on the Borey and Severodvinsk SSBN/SSNs series, and the modernisation of Akulas (both I and II) and restauration of the second Sierra.

whats the status of the 3 Sierras?? ….though i believe they will be eventually upgraded to make it ‘in-line’ with its successor Akulas, anyone got upgraded??….

There are plans to resurrect at least one derelict cruiser of the Kirov series, Peter t. G. remaining quite active.

Now thats something that i’ve been looking forward to — seeing the Ushakov being resurrected to be the Flag Bearer of the Pacific Fleet. Hope all of them will be resurrected into their ultimate avataar to see 2 each of them in Pacific & Northern Fleet, though the most likely config wud be (as is now) to have 3 in Northern Fleet (its always good to have as many slicers as u can have in that area) and one in the Pacific Fleet.

And if we go through the ship thats coming Indo-Russian joint exercise, INDRA-2005, we’ll see that two of the ships – The current Flag Ship of Pacific Fleet – Varyag & Admiral Tributs (Udaloy-I class ASW destroyer) was considerd not to return to service, with the Udaloy-I being written off by western naval analysts as she had suffered two accidents relating to onboard fire (1991 & 1995, source hazegray) and not been in operation for long.

So its that the Russians have put in their best to resurrect these two ships. And if thats the case, I’ll keep my optimism to see another 6 Sovermennys & 3 Udaloy-I to be resurrected as well. Also to note is that these chaps are to reaim in international waters for nearly/over 2 months and that will also show as to how good the conditions of these ships are.

Agree with last proposition, but the new destroyer project is in no way similar to the Aegis-fitted types (what do you refer to by this exactly? Burke?

well see my speculative pics ( above posts) and u may or maynot agree with me, but then my speculation might as well be near to the real stuff or it cud be way off the mark ….

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Blackcat,
Its 48 vls cells not 72 located in 4 modules of 12 vls cells similar to P-15A. Also all this info is just speculative and even if its not considering how much revisions vikramaditya has gone thru wont be suprised if further changes are made.

oh so maybe i mistook that – 2-piece door to a singel door ?

IN arsenal looks formidable at least on paper (based on FORCE)… no surprised why Yankees have a new found love for India. India’s economy and the title ‘next China’.. Atleast India is picking up here in the US as major investment destination including major Arms maker..

the new love is also coz u need to look the map …. check out h much IN needs to blackade OIL to the west or for that matter the very little ‘mileage’ it need for starving the Aussies.

According to Force ( http://www.forceindia.net/feature1.asp ) the new ASW stealth corvettes design will be based on the Severnoye Design Bureau’s Project 20382 design. The Bureau is closely cooperating with the IN’s Directorate of Naval Design and Weapons Engineering & Electronics Systems Engineering Establishment (WEESEE), and state-owned Garden Reach Shipbuilding & Engineering to produce detailed engineering drawings using TRIBON CAD/CAM software.

k here another resized pic .. from another site which is not working now. But I’d have loved to see the other design (1350) to be the corvettee … the pic is from Roel

and a comp pic for Kilo & Amur (from Roel) hope u guys can see the front arrays on both ….

how much is the deal worth??

By the way Flex, from your posts i see that you don’t know too much about NK threat: let me point that the most dangerous weapons those idiots have are not tanks (Mavericks, CBUs 95, Apache/Cobra-fired Hellfires could handle them) but thousands of artilery systems, MRLSs and ballistic missiles. Against these ones, JDAMS should be very effective…

ahhhh ahaha …. and when did anyone ever say that Tanks were the main offensive weapons of NK?? …. now I say considering that the worlds oldest demo-crazy is piling up its bases near the Russian border , y not let the NKs have a few hundred Smerch or better so BM-27 Uragan MRLS and another 10-20 units of BAL. Now that wud be really fine and justify the weapons purchase of SK or for that matter amrikkan worry abt NKs military capablity to be a real threat with imminent invasion, to stop which, huge force and weapons are needed by the SK and the need for American presence.

And surprisingly u r very right abt the artillery …. but they need to upgrade all those artillery, but in its current form it is rather enough to stop any invasion force from its southern borders.

It is unimportant what we think about it, but NK govt indeed sees the WMDs as needed assets to protect themselves from the US.

Yes thats unfortunately very true, if u want any bully to stop, u really need to have a big stick.

BS! NK needes nukes to blackmail US, SK, Japan to obtain food, fuel, cash, anything that their crappy economy can’t provide.

really??….. but then they do have the need, after all where else will u see any nation with N-weapons talking abt using it or have already used it??….. it was just a few yrs ago that British defence sec talked openly said that, N-weapons are weapons to be used. And whan u have such irresponsible govt, who can have u by throat if ur not powerful enough ‘naturally’, the only option is to flash ur big stick in the background. BTW, h do u know that Japan do not have N-bombs??? ….. and h do u know that NK is starving ??

The reason NK wants nukes is because Kim Il wants nukes. That’s it.
He’s got a massive inferiority complex, and doesn’t want to have to listen
to anyone. If he has nukes, he feels people will have to listen to him.

And the reson y amrikka needed nukes was b’coz Roosevelt needed it for his personal needs. Btw, wasn’t there a report that said, he was mentally impaired …. Also don u think ppl will listen u more carefully, if u got a big stick? …… if its NO, then pal, u need to open ur eyes wide enough to see the world.

He has spent billions on the army, and his palaces, and buildings that do no
good for the people. He’s created a brainwashed, poor populace unable
to care for themselves. They are dependant on whatever meager handouts
the government gives them, and susceptable to whatever propaganda the
government forces unto them. They are then made to believe their
troubles are all caused by the US, because we don’t want to give them
money and food. Which is true – we don’t want to, because we know he’ll
use whatever we give him for “eivl” building reactors to make bombs, food
to feed him military, money to buy weapons.

k so h do u know all these what u just mentioned??? …..

Kim Jong Il is an a$$hole. He has made it a point to brag about nuclear
weapons. That’s why I don’t worry about him too much – he wants it to
be known that he’s got them. he wants to use them as a bargainng tool,
not to destroy a neighboring country. He migth be crazy, but he knows
what happens if you nuke an ally of the US.

Ur correct , he want it as a deterrance , and is not going to use it untill something dumb enough happen from the bottom. And do u really think that NK wud ever Nuke their Korean brothers down south??….. war is something and N-war is something else, for that u atleast need to be a Brit & an Amrikkan or a Pakistani mullah to have the arrogance & mental instablity to use it!

Well, if NK decides to try anything in the next three years, they may or may not get a shot off; with the Bush Doctrine we’d attack them preemptively

and the ‘pre-emption’ doctrine is what driving most nation to have however big stick that they can afford. If u don have the stick to hurt any pre-emptive souls, then face the pre-emption. Its as simple as that.

wasnt there a recent poll in SK which indicated most of population would back NKorea if a war were break out between NK and US?

Yes, and the next one shud be a referandum to ask, if the Koreans want Amrikkans presence on their land, which atleast have a culture unlike the ‘cultureless’ Amrikkans.

And personally, I find the whole Korean situation to be a blatant waste of time and money. Were I in charge I’d empower the rest of the Asian nations to keep the peace in their own backyard and withdrawl our military from Japan and Korea. Career-wise, I have spent six years making sure I come nowhere near the Korean peninsula.

So what do u think abt the amrikkan presence in Europe and Central Asia around the Russia borders?….. or for that matter the Cold War icon NATO? … time for diaband, isn’t it? …. btw wasn’t it not agreed with Gorbachev that NATO will be disbanded along with the Soviet Block?!

Given the fact that the NK goverment is far more crazy then any of the former WarPac goverment was, it is still frightening to see that even as Eastern Germany collapsed some members of the goverment were favoring using violence against their own people. Luckily the sane mjority won.

as much crazy as what made amrikka to nuke Japan even though the Japnese navy was destroyed, almost their entire resources exhausted and was a matter of time b4 Japs surrendered? ….. but unfortunately, the brainwashed minds still believe that nuking was the only option for the mighty Japs to surrender or that anything else wud have meant higher price for the allies. what a PUN! ….. i wonder if there is anyone (from that period) in that brainwashed land who believes that the amrikkan military & Govt at that time wanted to see the N-bomb tested live and to see the results with REAL ‘stuffs’ rather than ‘dumb’ test in deserts with no casualty.

Its pity that a good load of pigs still go hugging the ‘official’ version on the usage of the A-bomb …. hmmm ….. So to reduce ur own military casuality, u massacare the opponents unarmed civilians. …. so is there any good reason y anyone shud even feel sorry for the cowards when they get packed in bodybags?!

Wow! Another Russian aviation first!

So u finally accept the fact. Good Boy. Keep it up!

The US have the strictest test norms in the world. As I said in another topic, there were many weapon systems that were “operational” de facto, yet their IOC (Initial Operational Capability) was officially a few years later. In the Gulf war (1991) at least two such systems were used 1-2 years before IOC: AMRAAM (carried, but not used) and Lantirn (this on used extensively)

… and all others go by picking vegetables …. happy?

It turns your plane into a very effecitve airbrake.

now that was not a cobra, it was just to show the unlimited turn that cud be achieved in the minimum space w/o falling down.

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