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  • in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2517808
    Maskirovka
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    I read somewhere that the Saab Viggen has a hinged tail fin, so that the height of the aircraft can be reduced, so as to allow it to fit in these underground airbases/hangers!
    Does anyone have a picture of a Viggen with its tail fin folded down??

    Regards
    Pioneer

    Here´s a pic of a SF-37 Viggen in Krakow Poland I found…
    http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2935/psok6jwayflxm0.jpg

    Maskirovka
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    The dutch have expierences in building fighters from WWI and Fokker is a famous name. After several decades up to the last few years the Dutch did built and assemble up to date aircraft and Dutch key personal is still working in that business. None did claim that the Dutch can built a high performance Tf fighter engine of their own. Neither the Swedes, Israeli, Canadian nor several others did so for economical reasons. To compare former Third World countries with the Netherlands is a bad joke isn’ t it?!

    OK, so the experience from building propeller fighters in the 1930´s is still valid today in construction of a modern jet fighter you think? Fokker is a famous name, but still, they have never produced a jet fighter and does not have the know-how.

    SAAB has designed and produced 6 different jet fighters and one jet trainer since the late 1940s. From every design they gain experience and expertise that remains within the company and its employers and are passed on to the next design. And it´s not only SAAB, it´s every company in Sweden that are somehow involved in the fighterproduction in the country. By simply assembling parts to fighters (or whole fighters) does not give you anything near that kind of experience and know-how. There are no short-cuts in gaining 60 years of experience and expertise in jet fighter production.

    Of course I can compare India with Netherlands. Both are rich countries with a strong aviation industry that have been assembling fighter jets for years.
    The reason I chose India was just to show how difficult it can be to design and produce a own modern jet fighter without any former experience in that field, it does´nt matter if you are one of the biggest and richest countries in the world.

    Netherlands can design and produce its own fighter. The risk are however the fighterproject will take 30 years before any planes are delivered to the airforce and it would cost a fortune.

    The only chance I see is that countries like Netherlands from the beginning starts co-operating with a large foreign company. Just like South-Korea are planning to do now with their next fighters when they are searching partners outside to help them (they have asked SAAB for instance).

    Maskirovka
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    Absolutely, Holland could build its own fighters. This is a silly thread.

    If Israel (population 6 million) and Sweden (population 9 million) can do it, then Holland (population 16 million), with arguably a larger industrial base than these two put together, can certainly do it.

    It’s simply a matter of political will and this, quite simply, is lacking. End of story.

    There are plenty of other, perhaps more stark examples. Australia? Brazil? Argentina?

    So it´s just a matter of the size of the population, money and political will if you could build your own fighter? Look at India, a population of 1,2 billion, loads of money and trying to be independent from foreign countries. They have not succeeded in designing and building their own jet fighter (the Marut and LCA fiascos). The same goes with China, it was´nt until the 80s they managed to get their own designs in service.

    You don´t think a little thing like 60 years of combined experience and skills of producing fighter jets and even longer in producing fighter airplanes has something to do with it? Or do you think experience and know-how comes automatically as long as you have a large population and money?

    in reply to: World's best fighters #2548804
    Maskirovka
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    Saab Viggen, what are the forums views on this as a fighter, was it any good back in the 70s and 80s when compared with other (ground attack) fighters of the time?

    In swedish books and magazines I often read that JA-37 Viggen was the best fighter in europe until US F-15s were based here.

    I don´t know when the first JA-37s became operational (1980/81?) or when the F-15 started getting based in europe, but can this claim be true?

    in reply to: Taiwan RoCAF fighters Takeoff/landing on highway! #2509916
    Maskirovka
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    A thread regarding roadbases in Sweden on a different forum; http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81461

    It´s a big difference between Taiwan highway-takeoffs and the swedish “Road-base90-system”. In Sweden that meant that practicly every fighter had its own runway and it was protected by a company of soldiers. I think cold war sweden had more preparations against a sudden attack by a superpower than Taiwan today. This strategy also was in the army and in the navy. Small, but deadly, VERY dispersed independent groups that would suck the blood of the enemy.

    Or this thred on this forum
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=53860&highlight=road+base

    copy of mine answer in that tread:
    “n another swedish forum it was described how the swedish Base-90 system worked. I hope I understood it right and can give a comprehensive and understandable picture of it in english.

    Base-90 replaced the Base-60 in the 1980´s and had a Basebattalion -85 for it´s protection and support. It was just a development of the Base-60 with further focus on dispersing the planes, e.g. using roadbases and such.

    A typical airbase-90 consisted of:
    A main runway (often located out in the forrest)
    Several, up to five, short runways (usually public roads)
    A “sidebase” (normaly a civilian airport)
    A reservebase

    All these runways was connected with a system of roads so the planes could move around and the ground-supportteams were mobile. A typical airbase-90 only consisted of 4-8 planes so they were VERY dispersed and had a lot of runways to chose from.

    Such a base were supported of a Base-85 battalion that consisted of 1500-2000 men. 1500 men to support only 4 planes seems much but most of them were airbaserangers that would hunt and kill spetznas, repairteams to fix the runways and clear them from unexploded bombs and mines and groundsupport , they had to be plenty since they were dispersed in such a large area and there were so many runways.

    The threat was a sudden massive attack from soviet. Our fighters would hopefully get airborne and counter the first wave. Since we had so many (several hundreds) runways they could´nt possibly destroy all. The ones that would have been destroyed would have been fixed again before 24h. Rearmed and refuelled the fighters would have left again within 8 minutes and be on the way for the next mission. Even if the attack came as a surprise and some fighters were on the ground not many of them would have been destroyed thanks to the fact they were so dispersed (only 4 planes in a huge airbasesystem). Another threat was russian Spetznas, but we trained special airbaserangercompanies to deal with that.

    From what we have seen in recent wars it was clearly the right idea. Instead of having a few airbases with many planes and counting on the concreteshelters would give your planes protection, many airbases with several runways dispersed over a huge area with just a handful of planes is a better choice. In todays wars mobility is the key.
    On the other hand, if the first wave would have been a couple of hundreds nuclearbombs against these bases we would´nt had stood a chance. I don´t know in wich extend we used the mountainhangars built in the 50/60´s in the base-90 system.
    One must also remember the capabilities of the soviet airforce in the 80´s. They did´nt have that many Su-24/MiG-27 that had such a range that they could reach Sweden from the Baltic states, and certanly not enough fighters (Su-27/MiG-25/31) to give them support.

    But now Base-90 is coming to an end. The focus of the swedish armed forces is now on international use and so are our basebattalions. Nowadays the few ones that are remaining will be able to be transported anywhere in the world, find a reasonable straight strip of highway and turn it to an airbase for our Gripens that will participate in a coalitionforce.

    Last, some pics from the Base-90:

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0413722/L/
    the main runway in Frösön

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0647719/L/
    Byholma main runway

    http://www.f17.mil.se/photo.php?id=55478&nid=16860
    and the main runway in Visby- Gotland. (Gotland is a large island in the middle of the baltic sea wich we called our carrier)”

    http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9676/ja37viggenhs2.jpg

    in reply to: If I had It My Way… #2523382
    Maskirovka
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    Sweden

    My army would consist of;
    4 armoured brigades equipped with Strv121/Strv122B, CV9040B/CV9040C, CV90AMOS, Archer SPH.

    4 mech. infantry brigades equipped with SEP APC, FH77B,

    6 ranger battalions including the air assault battalion wich would consist of a dozen Apaches, 15-20 NH-90´s, a handful of Chinooks and some A109s.

    +25 other specialized battalions (SAM, enginer, infantry etc)

    This means purchase of the RBS-23 Bamse SAM-system, upgrade more CV90´s to C-standard and more Strv122 to B-standard, convert ca 40 Strv121 to ARV/AVLB, twice as many Archers and upgrade 50 FH-77 to B05-standard. Replace old terrainvehicles with new ones (Pinzgauers for example), buy more Bv-206S and update all remaining Bv-206 to D-standard. Order more NH-90 and less A109.

    Navy;
    2 Frigates (a larger Visby or foreign (like the Meko) does´nt really matter)
    4 Visby corvettes (go back in time and order only 4)
    4 Göteborg corvettes
    5 Submarines (3 Gotland+2 Södermanland)
    2 amphibious battalions
    1 LPD (like the dutch Enforcer)

    Airforce;
    80 JAS-39C Gripen
    24 JAS-39D Gripen
    30-40 advanced jet trainers
    4 SAAB2000 Erieye AEW&C
    6 modernized C-130 Hercules (all prepared to be tankers)
    4 SAAB 340 transportplanes (the old Erieye platforms)
    2 Tanker/transport aircrafts (A310MRTT or something)

    Purchase anti-radiation missiles (ALARM?) to Gripen.

    Well, something like that. Just give me the money and I´ll make it happen…
    😀 😀

    in reply to: Lithuanian Air Force to buy new fighters #2544987
    Maskirovka
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    Well, the question of the cost to upgrade is just solved. Approximatly 19 million USD/airframe at todays exchangerate.

    Swedish airforce upgrading 31 A/B models to C/D standard for 4,1 billion SEK.

    I read that to and wonder if it is correct. It seems very cheap, as someone mentioned, a upgrade to C/D is basicly an entire new aircraft (I would guess mainly because of the NATO-pylons, the ability to carry a heavier load and IFR-probe wich requires new wings and body). The question is if the baltic states needs all those (expensive) upgrades. For airpolicing its own airspace I would suppose you only need to make them NATO-compatible when it comes to Link16, pylons, ILS/IFF etc. Mainly software upgrades in other words wich should´nt be that expensive…

    in reply to: AERO INDIA 2007 #2507100
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    Maskirovka
    The HUD has been manufactured by an Indian Laboratory. This is their first attempt to it, hence going with some tried designs. I believe there future products would be more in line with the recent trends.. 🙂
    Harry..

    Ok. But reading some posts about the Tejas from Indian posters it seems that aircraft is so superior to the JAS-39 Gripen cause it´s a more modern fighter. The Gripen flew for the first time in 1989 and had the same “modern” HUD as today. Allmost 20 years later the Tejas is shown with such an antique HUD and your explanation is “This is their first attempt to it”…
    The entire Tejas is the first attempt for the entire indian aircraft industries, that makes me think about the status of the entire aircraft. Not to mention the fact that the Tejas-project was started before the Gripen and the Gripen has been in service for over 10 years and sold to four countries while the Tejas has not yet left the prototype stage.

    Does the Tejas really have a future or is it like the Arjun-tank?

    in reply to: AERO INDIA 2007 #2507493
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    Here’s something new, photos of the actual Tejas PV3 cockpit! The real thing certainly seems to look a lot more professional than the rather crude mock-ups we’ve seen to date 🙂

    Why does the HUD looks so “old and big”-ish?

    Compare with the Gripen cockpit

    http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/gripen/cockpit/cockpit.jpg

    in reply to: Gripen demonstrator to fly next year. #2514611
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    …found this about the swedish/italian radar…

    http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=2160

    FMV develops next-generation radar with Italy

    PRESS RELEASE 15.11.2006

    FMV has today signed contracts relating to the continued development of future integrated radar, electronic defence and communication functions
    MAESA radarsystem illustration
    On behalf of the MODs of Italy and Sweden, FMV is undertaking a R/T programme aimed at developing the next generation of integrated radar, electronic defence and communication systems with multi-function capability. The system is to be based on AESA, which is a new active antenna technology.

    FMV has today signed a contract with the companies Selex Sistemi Integrati S.p.A., Elettronica S.p.A. and Saab Microwave Systems AB relating to the next phase in this R/T programme. These companies form part of a consortium, which is led by Selex SI and has been tasked with developing the concept to a demonstrator to prove feasibility by 2010.

    “Thanks to a very good and creative working atmosphere between the project groups in the two countries we have very positive expectations for continued cooperation,” comments Anders Fredlund, FMV project manager.

    The aim of Phase Two, to which today’s contract apply, is to define a concept that provides multi-functionality, i.e. in which radar, electronic defence and communication functions can work in the same system, at the same time. It is to be possible for the concept to be used on different platforms (land, sea, air) and in different configurations. This necessitates flexibility with regard to adapting size to the platform concerned. Phase Two also includes system studies referring to the future capability needs of Italy and Sweden.

    The next stage in development, after 2010, is intended to consist in the development of a functional model for realistic verifications.

    For questions concerning this press release, contact Anders Fredlund, FMV project manager, mobile +46 (0)70-682 53 18 or Ulf Lindström, FMV project officer, mobile +46 ( 0)70-982 63 96.

    in reply to: Gripen demonstrator to fly next year. #2515001
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    @ Maski
    Also consider that NORA is not _a_ radar it’s a development program researching various methods to improve the PS/05 using AESA technology. for instance the Raython tests were dubbed “NORA III”.

    So in other words you can say that they are working with three different kind of AESA radars for the Gripen now, all whom wich may be offered for sale in the future Gripen?
    1. US MMIC
    2. Swedish/Italian M-AESA
    3. “Nora” Improved PS/05 with AESA technology.

    I´m guessing the SwAF will go for the NORA but wich radar is offered in the deal to the danes and norwegians?

    in reply to: Gripen demonstrator to fly next year. #2515334
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    So are they working on three different radars for Gripen? One US, one italian/swedish and the Ericsson NORA?

    in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2519689
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    Besides the F9 base at Säve I posted above at least five other airforcebases in Sweden had/has mountainhangars.

    For example, a pic from the F21 base in Luleå northern Sweden. A base still used…

    http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1346/275mi.jpg

    in reply to: C-17's for Canada #2519863
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    C-5 is galaxy. C-17 is globe master.

    Oops, sorry. I mean the C-17 Globemaster. Can they be modified into tankers with a air-refuelling kit?

    in reply to: C-17's for Canada #2519929
    Maskirovka
    Participant

    Would it be possible to use an air-refuelling kit on a C-17 Galaxy and use them as tankers?

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