These Soviet era airlifters represent a huge risk for any potential purchaser.
It is cheap and easy to occasionally charter an An-124, but there are huge risks associated with actually owning a fleet of these monsters.
I´ve read that several times but I´ve never understood why really.
First thing. The Condor is and have been used by the russian forces aswell as civilian airliners and flown all over the world for almost 20 years now. Have anyone heard of that they (mainly the civilian airliners I mean) have had any difficulties with the plane or a hard time to get support or spareparts?
Second. Were just talking about a handful of planes here, not an entire system of 200 advanced MiG-31´s with all that means in tech. support, training, systemadjustments and all that. Just a handful of planes (offcourse with western avionics and engines) that just needs to fulfill the role as cargofreighters. Nothing fancy…
Third. If **** hits the fan (like the Tsunamidisaster or other warlike conditions) it has showed that renting these monsters is´nt as easy as one might think. There are only so many of them in the civilian market and if everyone wants to charter them at the same time there´s gonna be a problem. Now if 2x**** would hit the fan, then it would be impossible the charter any…
Well what you said about the Apache is correct, Boeing does have first rights even over Westland built models (most of the parts are built in the US and ships over to Westland for assembly as it is). But i don’t think the Tiger is an option on the Swedish board. Personally I think they have their sights on the Mi-28P and they are only being pollite to the other competitors, they Sweds are a funny bunch, they know exactly what they want and they go for it but are pollite to everyone whilest getting their goals.
For a swede it sounds very strange that we would consider buying russian equipment (forget about those low-tech armoured tractors MT-LB and BMP-1, they are already scrapped now). But AFAIK the Apache and the Havoc was the favourites of the army back in 90´s. I assume the Mi-28P is fully NATO-compatible and have western avionics and weapons or would we have to modify that ourselves?
I personally am not happy with this deal, but it does make sence, the RAAF do like this that are “Currently in production”. Sadly it was the only one of the contenders that were, though the An-124 would have won if it was in production, the ADF as a whole has been really impressed with it when they have hired them to move stuff around.
I thought the An-124 was in production? According to http://www.airforce-technology.com : “In September 2004, the governments of Russia and the Ukraine announced that series production of the An-124 would be restarted. Up to 80 An-124-100M upgraded aircraft are to be jointly manufactured by Aviastar and Aviant between 2006 and 2020.”
If it would be possible to get some Condors as fast as the Globemasters you think they would have won? Why is that?
It would make much more sense for a country like Sweden (and other medium sized countries) to enter into an agreement with their national airline to be able to mobilize an aircraft if a need to rapatriate their nationals stranded abroad arises. Buying a couple of C-17 for a mission of this type that is likely to arise once every so many years does not sound too (financially) smart !
We have an agreement with SAS to lease planes during emergencies. Some of these are specially prepared to replace the seats with stretchers and medical equipment. We did this during the Tsunami disaster. The main problem was (and still is) when we have to transport heavy equipment to places for away, like disaster relief or support our international troops. Then we have to hire An-124 from civilian contractors or use our small Hercules…
But owned by BAE. That still income for BAE. Like the F136 is built in the USA but make income for RR.
How much income does BAE get from an IFV that is designed and produced in Sweden?
When South Africa bought Gripen I really hoped that Sweden would buy the Rooivalk in return. In the late 90´s we tested a bunch of helicopters in Sweden (IIRC Tiger, Apache, Mi-28 and Ka-50, can´t remember if Rooivalk was here to) but the decision on however we even should buy attackhelicopters have dragged on.
A month ago I read that SAAB is thinking of buying parts of Denel (mainly aviationsupport and missilessections). Maybe this can open things up a bit and we in the near future can see a swedish Rooivalk?
(BTW a little off topic: the recent years Sweden has opened up their eyes a bit on the southafrican armsindustries. We just purchased RG-32M and I have read rumours that we are interested in the Umkhonto-IR on the Visby-corvettes)
Don´t know if you count Sweden as a “third-world country” but here´s some pictures produced by Sweden and SAAB. Pretty impressive for a country with a population smaller than Londons.
J 6 “Fighting Falcon”
Sk 8 “School Falcon”
Ö 7 “The pirate”
B 17
B 18
J 21
J 22 (not a SAAB-product)
A 21R
SAAB 91 “Sapphire”
SAAB 90 Scandia
SAAB 29 “the barrel”
SAAB 32 “the lance”
SAAB 35 “Dragon”
SAAB 105
SAAB T17 Supporter
SAAB 37 “Thunderbolt”
SAAB 39 “Griffon”
SAAB 340
SAAB 2000
Regarding underground navalbases, here´s some pictures of Muskö, a swedish underground navalbase. (There are allso alot of pics from other underground military facilities in that thread).
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65025
In this thread it´s mainly pics of fixed coastalartillery:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60459
SAAB B3LA
SAAB B3LA or A38/Sk38. A advanced light attack/trainer cancelled in 1979. Intended to replace SAAB 105 and to some extend AJ 37 Viggen. It was to have a very sophisticated avionics system, with a FLIR as main sensor, including automatic target recognition and multiple missile lock-on.
The B3LA was cancelled on cost grounds, instead a simplified trainer/attack version of it was suggested, and this got the designation A 38/Sk 38. It was cancelled as well, but sort of a ‘B3LA’ flies today as the Aeritalia-Aermacchi-Embraer AMX. (Saab cooperated with Aermacchi during the development.)

And how AMX looks