Also depends on what kind of radar it was, whether its stabilisation was single axis or dual axis, what sea state the radar is qualified till and the overall capability of the radar itself.
Too little info to tell that FACs by themselves cannot have a decent sensor fit. While the challenges of seakeeping are obvious, its by no means certain that technology cannot compensate.
Offcourse, a FAC can be anything from a WWII style North Korean torpedoboat, a Chinese OSA I to high tech light corvette of a Swedish Gothenburg-class or Israeli Hetz. It´s quite a difference…
Just to give you an idea why FACs is not an bad idea for certain countries, like the nordic ones. This is an typical archipelago in the Baltic Sea. This one particular is the one outside Stockholm. Over 30.000 islands of various sizes and only a handful of routes where big ships can safely sail into Stockholm…






Environment is everything when it comes to operate FACs. A FAC is not suppose to fight a blue water navy in open seas. They are suppose to work in littoral areas where they can use its small size advantage, hide in the clutter of islands/land and deny the enemy control over its own waters.
Take the Stockholm archipelago for instance, over 30.000 islands with very narrow straits and shallow waters, not exactly an ideal place to navigate around in a big destroyer or cruiser. But still, if you wanna control Stockholm you have to control the waters outside it.
I remember years ago when a Swedish FAC was training against one of US navies most modern cruisers outside Stockholm. The Swedish FAC just used the cover of islands and the cruiser was not able to detect them. The first warning they got was when suddenly a swarm of RBS-15 came rushing at them (simulated off course) from different locations, to close for them to be able to defeat them. The cruiser were deemed dead after that.
IIRC experiences like these led to the LCS project and also the radar on the cruiser had a very hard time seeing through the clutter of islands and get a good picture.
But offcourse, if the Swedish FAC had met the US cruiser in the middle of the Baltic Sea the outcome would have been very different…
Dont the Malaysian Su30MKM use a South African RWR?
I thought they bought SAAB systems?
Dont the Malaysian Su30MKM use a South African RWR?
I thought they bought SAAB systems?
gripens offers tend to include alot. And the deal with NG deals seems to be “all inclusive”, spareparts for 30 years etc. So its hard to tell about “fly away”. think thats why the “fly away” for SwAF is so low.
I read a Signatory post in mil.photos and according to that SAAB offers more than that. They offer a maximum-life time cost of 30 years which includes everything (fuel, maintenance, training, spare parts etc). And it´s suppose to be 123£ mil/jet and that is half of what the F-35 is presenting. This deal is for Denmark and is basically the same deal presented to the norwegian. The norwegians on the other hand came up with some very strange conclusion that the Gripen would be 10 times as expensive as the F35 or something like that (lol). The difference now is that the Swedish state is guaranteeing that price (over 30 years) and is offering more off-sets (180%). The reason the Swedish state can guarantee that I suppose is the fact that over 10 years of service it has showed that the Gripen is more then 15% cheaper to operate then was predicted, and experiences from the Czheck republic and Hungarians tells the same thing.
Even if the fly away price for a Gripen C is 25 mil dollars SAAB offers to pay the total cost of the systems entire price during 30 years of service.
Peculiar, an Iranian hamburger restaurant that appears to be a complete copy of a western original.
Edit: whoops, Sign was faster on this one.
It is a copy from the Swedish MaX restaurants. It was apparently a MaX employee in Sweden who moved back to Iran and copied the whole concept. When MaX found out they sued the guy but I don´t know what happened next…
I remember there once was talk about opening legit MaX-restaurants in the middle east (since it´s Swedish and not American it would be more accepted by muslims).
If someone has any merit, that would be GE who managed to provide more thrust to 414 by maintaining almost the same size as the 402.
That merit actually belongs to Volvo Aero. The 414 is a direct result of the RM12 and continuous upgrades on that… (But I´ll give GE some credit as well. The 404 is a sound design to improve on. 😉 )
Well, that’s the problem with a lot of sources. As they either don’t give you enough details or leave parts out? Which, just leads to more speculation…….
In this case Supercruise at Mach 1.2 is important. Yet, if its to short or clean it would be of little value……..to bad he wasn’t a little more specific.:(
When was the Gripen Demo roll out? Like 8 months ago? It´s not so strange if it was “just” clean during the first super cruise test. I think they have moved pretty fast as it is. If LCA had progressed in this pace it would have been operational a decade ago… :diablo: 😉
ask Saab about that..they’ve pitched a Gripen NG that is not even in prototype form as yet, and simply has a Gripen Demo that should look like the final product..the version they’re offering isn’t flying, its AESA is still in prototype form.
and they’ve been rejected by Norway already, and they’re now pitching a notional 5th gen fighter to S.Korea and in the process are trying to get them interested in the NG as well
The difference is SAAB has got a great track record spanning over 50 years. Sweden as a whole, got a a great track record. Does India have that, in anything they have tried to produce?
ask Saab about that..they’ve pitched a Gripen NG that is not even in prototype form as yet, and simply has a Gripen Demo that should look like the final product..the version they’re offering isn’t flying, its AESA is still in prototype form.
and they’ve been rejected by Norway already, and they’re now pitching a notional 5th gen fighter to S.Korea and in the process are trying to get them interested in the NG as well
The difference is SAAB has got a great track record spanning over 50 years. Sweden as a whole, got a a great track record. Does India have that, in anything they have tried to produce?
They why is it not a contender for MRCA?
Regarding your statement, Due to the above reasons, Tejas is a full-fledged 4.5 generation fighter jet. which one of the above avionics/weapons have already been integrated, tested, certified and proven for Tejas?
None. ATM Tejas is major failure who can´t even do the basic Gen.4 multirole tasks, it can´t even do the point defense tasks it was designed to do which is currently handled by the MiG-21 from the 1950s… This is why it so hilarious to see titles such as “Tejas as an MRCA contender”. Try making a a new Mig 21 first India and Ill see you in another 150 years. By then you might even caught up with the Mig 23 technology.
They why is it not a contender for MRCA?
Regarding your statement, Due to the above reasons, Tejas is a full-fledged 4.5 generation fighter jet. which one of the above avionics/weapons have already been integrated, tested, certified and proven for Tejas?
None. ATM Tejas is major failure who can´t even do the basic Gen.4 multirole tasks, it can´t even do the point defense tasks it was designed to do which is currently handled by the MiG-21 from the 1950s… This is why it so hilarious to see titles such as “Tejas as an MRCA contender”. Try making a a new Mig 21 first India and Ill see you in another 150 years. By then you might even caught up with the Mig 23 technology.
I thought that USN Intruders used Harpoon during several confrontations with Iran and Libya in the 80s?
Have you read the title of this thread?
Here’s a question in 1938 if you were Norway. Would you want an Air Force full of Supermarine Spitfires or Brewster Buffalos……………….I have no doubt the latter was much cheaper.
If I were Norway in 1938 it would´nt matter what I´ve done considering the whole defense were a joke and it takes at least 5 years (at that time) to get the armed forces going.
I would probably had moved to Sweden (instead of fled one year later).