RodolfoBut we are saying the cost of the upgrade, massive crews, training etc would be better spent getting a new class of more up-to-date ships in service. The fitting out of these ships is all about political tub thumping rather than economic-military sense.
I disagree! Kirov class can be extremely useful if working together with a Carrier. The problem now is that the Russian Navy has just one carrier. An updated Kirov with a modern Carrier working synergistically are an extremely powerful anti-ship combination. Lets add 2 Oscar-II and the Task Force can rule the Barents Sea without a problem
RodolfoMay be is time to scrap also the Su-25 and get just one type of plane: the MiG-29K.
RodolfoI want to see an S-300V replacement for the Russian Army. Absent that, they should commence procurement of the S-300VM / ‘Antey-2500’.
Just one S-300VM regiment was produced. No series production. The high cost and lack of sales success terminated the system. In addition the cheaper S-400 was later provided with the capability to intercept faster ballistic targets.
The S-300VM will be superseded by the now in development S-500 system.
Sferrin: yeap it is in development stage. 6 km/s ballistic target speed is a design aim.
RodolfoThe new destroyer slated to be revealed in 2011 will hopefully feature a naval S-400 or maybe even S-500 system
No, just the naval S-400.
S-500 main role is ATBM and a limited ABM capability. It is a S-300V follow on in the way the S-400 is a S-300P follow on. So, no need of a naval S-500. Hopefully the naval S-400 will load lots of 9M96 missiles.:diablo:
RodolfoSo S-500 with 10 ICBM targets with high probability of kill with x number of missile just sounds ok to me.
No yet. An article from RIAN claim is able to down ballistic targets with speeds up to 6 km/s. Certainly No ICBM, … but near, i.e. a SLBM with 8.000 km range.
RodolfoAir Force Commander Gen. Col. Alexander Zelin was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying that S-500 will be a completely new system, not a further development of the current S-400 Triumf SAM. He mentioned that the target detection range of the new system will be extended by 150-200 km compared to the S-400.
According to the Almaz-Antey company, the designer of the S-400 and the future S-500, the Triumf has a detection range of 600 km, implying that the S-500 will be able to detect targets at 750-800 km.
May be the Gamma DE AESA or a further evolution.
The S-500 is also expected to be able to engage 10 targets simultaneously, four more than the S-400 and the earlier S-300PM.
Logical given the growth of computing power.
But the big question: The interceptors??????
RodolfoFrom what I can tell it will be replaced by more politically palletable SM-3s. They’re also looking at a bigger booster for THAAD, tripling or quadrupling it’s range (the booster has already been ground tested). (That would be 375 to 500 miles+ ).
Do you have more data? It seems very interesting. I’m curious.
RodolfoFrom what I can tell it will be replaced by more politically palletable SM-3s. They’re also looking at a bigger booster for THAAD, tripling or quadrupling it’s range (the booster has already been ground tested). (That would be 375 to 500 miles+ ).
Well, these are very interesting tech developments. They sound smart. Anyway, the economic side of the equation seems to weight in the decision.
RodolfoAustin, this U.S. move is motivated for the parlous size of the U.S. budget-deficit. Don’t be too happy. The idea may still be alive.
RodolfoRussia Gives Up Mass Army
RodolfoIt seems like a rebuild of the former soviet air-defense network… like the evil liquid metal Terminator of Terminator-II movie. 😀
ASTRAKHAN (South Russia), September 16 (RIA Novosti) – Several members of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) are involved in creating three joint regional air defense structures as part of the CIS integrated air defense network.
Members of the Coordinating Committee on Air Defense under the CIS Defense Ministers’ Council met in Astrakhan on Wednesday and discussed setting up East European, Caucasus,
and Central Asian air defense networks.
The CIS integrated air defense network was set up by 10 CIS member countries on February 10, 1995. The main purpose of the network is to secure member-states’ airspace, including through early warning of missile attacks and coordination of joint efforts to neutralize potential aerial threats.
The network currently comprises 46 units equipped with S-200 and S-300 air defense missile systems, 23 fighter units equipped with MiG-29, MiG-31 and Su-27 aircraft, 22 electronic support units and two electronic warfare detachments.
The East European network will be set up by Russia and Belarus in line with an agreement signed in February on the joint protection of the Russia-Belarus Union State’s airspace and the creation of an integrated regional air defense network.
It will comprise five Air Force units, 10 anti-aircraft units, five technical service and support units and one electronic warfare unit, and will be placed under the command of a Russian or Belarusian Air Force or Air Defense Force senior commander.
Belarus has several Russian-made S-300 air defense battalions on combat duty, and has long been negotiating the purchase of advanced S-400 systems from Russia, which should be available in 2010.
The Caucasus air defense network will be set up by Russia and Armenia. The draft agreement is still in the works and needs additional negotiations to ensure “clear principles of the deployment and command of air defense forces.”
“The draft document will be ready by the end of 2009,” said Col. Nikolai Babayan, chief of Armenia’s Air Defense Forces.
Unlike the East European and Central Asian commands, the airspace of the Caucasus network will not be continuous as Georgia and Azerbaijan separate Russia and Armenia.
Maj. Gen. Okas Saparov, deputy commander of Kazakhstan’s Air Defense Forces, said that a working group has been formed to discuss setting up a joint Central Asian regional air defense network, which will involve Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
“Most of the issues dealing with drafting up an agreement [on a joint air defense network] have been resolved,” Saparov said.
Kazakhstan signed a contract with Russia in March on the purchase of S-300 air defense missile systems, while Russia operates an airbase in the city of Kant, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek.
Rodolfoconsidering the range figures sm-3, given its volume, offers, i’d wager the 600 km figure will be attained mostly through further refinement of guidance/steering methods and, consequently, the flight profile.
Sure! But you will need a rocket travelling well beyond 2 km/s. To reach 1000 km with a pure ballistic path you need to reach 3 km/s. So, if you want to save some K.E for end game interception maneuvers you will need a similar speed. Anyway, 9M82M is labeled with a max speed of 2.675 km/s. Thus, I wonder if the “weapon able to repel attacks from the space” is just this missile but heavily modernized with improved propellants, new electronics and modern guidance laws.
RodolfoThe S-500 is expected to have an extended range of up to 600 km (over 370 miles) and simultaneously engage up to 10 targets. The system will be capable of destroying hypersonic and ballistic targets.
😮 What will use? A sor of 40N6 on steroids or a further upgrade of the 9M82 Giant?
RodolfoQuote
MOSCOW, September 16 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Zvezdochka shipyard said on Wednesday it will install Club-S cruise missile systems on four Kilo class diesel submarines in service with the Indian navy in the next five years.
Russia has built ten Kilo class submarines for India. Only two of them — the INS Sindhugosh and INS Sindhuvijay — have reportedly been equipped with the Club-S (SS-N-27) cruise missiles to date.
“The new missile system will be installed on the INS Sindhuratna, INS Sindhuraj, INS Sindhushastra, and INS Sindhuvir. The retrofit will be carried out at Indian shipyards,” the shipyard in northern Russia said in a statement.
“Zvezdochka will finish this work in the next five years,” the statement said.
The Club-S subsonic cruise missile is designed for launch from a 533 mm torpedo tube, or a vertical launch tube. It has a range of 160 nautical miles (about 300 km). It uses an ARGS-54 active radar seeker and Glonass satellite and inertial guidance.
In addition, Zvezdochka is getting ready to overhaul another Indian Kilo class submarine — the INS Sindhurakshak under a deal which is expected to be signed in spring 2010.
“The submarine will be delivered to Severodvinsk in June 2010,” the shipyard said.
Russia agreed in 2001 to upgrade all 10 Indian Kilo class submarines and has previously overhauled four subs at the Zvezdochka shipyard.
The upgrade program involves a complete overhaul of the submarines, including their hull structures, as well as improved control systems, sonar, electronic warfare systems, and an integrated weapon control system. The upgrades are reported to be costing about $80 million.
Russia’s Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines have gained a reputation as extremely quiet boats, and have been purchased by China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.
RodolfoWar games
MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) will conduct on September 8-11 large-scale command-and-staff exercises involving over 2,000 personnel, an SMF spokesman said on Monday.
“During the exercises, the SMF will practice operations control in scenarios involving conventional and nuclear warfare,” the official said.
“A total of over 2,000 servicemen and 150 theater- and tactical-level command-and-control centers will take part in the drills,” he said.
The exercise coincides with the start of the Russian-Belarusian large-scale Zapad 2009 exercises, which will be held on September 8-29 and involve around 13,000 service personnel on both sides.
Russia’s SMF plans by 2016 to modernize its command-and-control systems in order to improve their ability to overcome missile defenses and increase the survivability of delivery vehicles.
At present, six types of silo-based and mobile ICBM systems are on combat duty with the SMF, including the heavy Voyevoda (SS-18 Satan), capable of carrying 10 warheads, and the Topol-M (Stalin) systems.
According to open sources, the total arsenal of Russia’s SMF comprises 538 ICBMs, including 306 SS-25 Topol (Sickle) missiles and 56 SS-27 Topol-M missiles.
Silo-based missiles constitute 45% of the total ballistic missile arsenal. They carry about 85% of nuclear warheads deployed by the SMF.
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