Surprising modification of the Original armament.
Original was Dong Hae class rather than Pohang as had been expected. Still surprising. Maybe just a temporary configuration for the transit and further changes will happen at COTECMAR?
I didnt get your point about the LCS and a helicopter attacking submarines sorry Leon?. We weren’t talking about either?. Rii wanted to know how feasible running before a torpedo was. My contention was that it was very feasible. If a torpedo was fired farther away you give the surface ships sonar watch more time to hear it and begin their countermeasures. Firing a torpedo is much like firing an air-air missile…the idea is to have the target inside its No Escape Zone before firing so no matter what it does it cant evade. Ive seen contradictory comments on whether the LCS’s have hull/bow mount mine avoidance and torpedo defence set or not. Clearly if it does the ship has a decent chance…if not then likely not and you’d very much question the thought process of a designer endowing a hull with the speed to outrun a HWT but not the basic sensors fit to support the ability.
Feasible yes, but with some assumptions like being alert and being able to detect that torpedo, as you note. LCS do not have hull sonars, only a drop down mine-avoidance set at best which is an active, high frequency, very short range job, and would require a towed detection or decoy set like SLQ-25. I do not see that being planned at the moment, so all but the ASW-module equipped LCS are vulnerable to being taken out without ever knowing who shot at them. And even when they are expecting attack and are alert, some passive-homing electric torpedoes may go undetected until they are on the ship if I am to believe the comments of a former ASW officer. So, any slower ship with torpedo defence system may better off than the fast one without, add acoustic quieting and the equation should change further, particularly if it is your job to go and find those submarines in the first place.
DDG 1000 Mod
for something like $4 billion a pop, USN is essentially getting an unstable ship with an awesome electric system but very little additional capability and in many areas less capability than exist platforms. the S-band area search radar is out, and with the news of steel instead of carbon fiber superstructure of the third ship, so more top weight on an already unstable hull design, doesn’t look like the navy is planning on retrofit the area search radar in the future.
Here’s a radical idea. An outward flared hull bulge along the aft half of the hull, turning the tumblehume into a conventionally flared hull. Any use for that void space, other than adding walkable deck all around that deckhouse and PVLS, space for a few marines with .50 cal, a davit with RHIB or two behind a screen, space for contractors to quickly access their painting gear whenever the ship pulls into port streaking with rust?
I thought part of the new medium gun requirement was extended range guided munitions since the US 127mm munitions was cancelled surely it would leave the Oto 127/64 with Vulcano ammo the clear candidate..
Only happened in 2008 but I’d already forgotten. Contractors did not continue this or alternatives with own funds did they?
The capability configuration stands, however with the exception of some items like Sea Ceptor, Artisan, Sonar 2087 etc that will be “pulled through” (sound better than stripped and re-used?) or derived from ongoing developments some of the systems and weapons may actually put out to tender so BAE finds itself in a difficult position here. They have a 127mm gun they would love to sell, but the Babcock/Oto option is also a strong contender. Shall we hope that we thus get best in class (for the money) for as much equipment as possible? Everyone, do the budget dance.
Was also covered by Jane’s Defence Weekly back on 1 March.
Plenty of political fallout from another u-turn on defence, but the cost and schedule issues in the near-term appear to be causing a very serious re-think indeed.
I figure talks with the Brits boil down to this: conversations with BAE about selected design and construction elements and capabilities. Unless someone is confusing this with Babcock, who are under contract for development of a propulsion test site? And there is BMT, who are offering full DE submarine designs.
Don’t expect a no-frills ship. Plenty of air and free space, yes. And 80 vls tubes.
Meet… Type 26. Details shouldn’t be too long.
Looks more like a wish list someone put together. Probably nowhere near what it will end up looking like.
What amused me most is that the youtube vid starts with a pic of Type 26 model I took at DSEi in 2009.
Quite right. Nothing was set in concrete at the time of the snapshot I got and is still subject to change. Only worth noting that the preference had changed from wet mission bay to hangar deck mission space and probably would take good reasons to go back.
It’s no Type 23 though!
That video might already be out of date. A subsequent design baseline no longer has the stern/waterline mission bay for a variety of reasons.
Every navy has the need to do voyage repairs occasionally since ships can encounter weather conditions which will lead to damage. The decision by the operator on whether to put mission or ship safety first will have some bearing, but no ship or submarine can be expected to be unbreakable (though politically charged ones may particularly good targets). Sounds like they decided to explore the limits, suffered some damage and repaired it within days. The rest of the HN submariner community may well be thankful for the resulting knowledge.
just to make sure that I got this right. Is that like 10 billion US for 6 subs? Sounds like some really expensive subs.
Yep. Sure are expensive. It is not they are US$1.6 billion subs, but that the sum that had to be allocated in local currency that is affected by higher than average inflation (mean: 7.6% over last 6 years, but up to 16%) now happens to convert into the equivalent of US$1.6 billion. Goldmine for foreign companies it would seem, but maybe not so much with offsets et al.
Now it’s official. First batch of 5 italian FREMM for Brazil.
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The agreement of intent firm the option of the Ministry of Defence of Brazil and Navy of Brazil by the Italian military equipment that best match the needs of Brazil. This is not a contract of sale.
Not quite there yet. As the article notes this is but the first MoU and I would expect counter-offers from the rest of the competition. I have my doubts about the Italian FREMM being cheaper as has been claimed by some sources. That said, Fincantieri badly needs work and may thus be able to underbid for the time being (if any of these are to be built in Italy they will take the place of Italy’s as yet unfunded FREMM 7-10). But in the end it’s a shame that like the fighter purchase politics is interfering with procurement and the navy is not given the opportunity to select the best option for the job.