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  • in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2082484
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    Excellent, you’re it next.

    Oops, did not see that. Bringing back some shots from Doha which will be good for the next edition however.

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2084821
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    I see:

    2 Karel Doorman M-class frigates
    1 De Zeven Provincien LCF-class AAW frigate
    LPD Johann de Witt

    1 Dutch Tripartite MHC
    1 Belgian Tripartite MHC (another Dutch one behind it by the looks of it)

    1 Norwegian Oksoy-class (SES) MHC, maybe with the stern of the Spanish MCM support ship Diana (Descubierta-class) in front of it.

    And probably another 2 ships lost in the clutter of masts at the bow of the Karel Doorman.

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    No insult intended Pred but are you sure on those figures?. They sound extremely high for a relatively modest hull when compared to other, international, large OPV projects and especially when you compare to current Arleigh Burke builds!.

    Unfortunately these look quite solid.
    GAO Report 06-546 titled “COAST GUARD Changes to Deepwater Plan Appear Sound,and Program Management Has Improved, but
    Continued Monitoring Is Warranted” has costings (based on USCG figures) down as follows:
    National Security Cutter:
    Original cost for 8 vessels in FY2002 plan: $1,838.1 million
    Revised cost as of FY2005: $2,875.1 million
    Revised cost as FY2005: $2,875.9 million

    Makes for a unit cost of $360m. (Ha, so I was off with my $500m for series production in fact). But first two are over budget and needing extra work to the tune of $255m between the two of them, and later ships are to a modified/strenghtened design.
    Most recent contract gives good indication of costs (minus Government furnished equipment):
    https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/786/167626/
    Since then we have also had Northrop Grumman offering a NSC based “patrol frigate” with minimal changes for just under $400m to fill the gap left by LCS troubles.

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    What is certainly interesting is that NSC proves that a 4000ton, comprehensively kitted out, hull is deliverable for circa £75mn!.

    Sorry to burst your bubble there… the initial construction contract may have been US$140 million, however that did not include a few things from the extras list, and the cost for CGC Bertholf (first of class) is now in the region of US$640 million. With series production in full swing and lessons learnt applied we are looking at US$500 million for the other ships in the class.
    Now compare that to the latest official figures for LCS 1&2 which are now coming in at US$631 and 640 million or so, up from a target cost of US$220 – 270 million.

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2086519
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    Definitely DDG 91 and Flight IIA, though not sure about location of torpedo tubes on all of the batch, Pinkney and subsequent seem to have them on hangar (http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=31669) and first Flt IIA USS Oscar Austin through to DDG 90 have them midships.

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2086577
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    HMNZS ENDEAVOUR – A11
    unidentified Anzac frigate (Meko 200) – paintcolor suggests is a HMNZS rather than HMAS
    Said Type 23 (obvious visitor)
    HMAS ADELAIDE (FFG-01) Guided missile frigate (US OHP)
    unidentified HMAS Armidale class patrol boat
    unidentified US Flight I Arleigh Burke class DDG

    All right, good work.
    ANZAC was HMNZS Te Mana, Armidale was HMAS Bathurst, Arleigh Burke was USS Pinkney (DDG 91 and thus Flight IIA though).
    All assembled far away from home at Changi naval base in May 2007 for local defence show.

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2086709
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    one of the ships there an type 23 the one with the boxy funnel.

    One down, 5 to go. Almost completely hidden here we indeed have Type 23 frigate HMS Monmouth complete with Agusta-Westland Merlin helo and stealth cuppola Mk 8 4.5′ main gun.

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2086842
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    Democrata eh? I was looking in the Oceania region and would have guessed HMNSZ Resolution next… Now, if you can find a shot of the second Democrata class vessel I’d be very impressed.

    The battleship is USS Iowa, image taken on 1 July 1984 off Puerto Rico Vieques Island training range. That’s according to the caption on another version of the jpg I have.

    Challenge from me for a change: Could make this a lot more difficult by obscuring/hiding stuff, but anyone care to tell me which 6 ships are in this shot?

    in reply to: Ok who's bored? #2087130
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    Of the 3 remaining pics I’d say one shows one of the four Pacific class PBs operated by Papua New Guinea, and then we also have a pic of one of the three Waspada FAC in service (still) with Brunei.

    That leaves 1, but no ideas for now.

    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2038976
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    MConrads,
    various models and configurations of the latest Fincantieri corvette/OPV were still on show recently and are still being marketed.

    What I am looking for are the initial design proposals for the K130 German Navy corvettes. Kohlers Flottenkalendar in mid-1990s had some drawings which were more similar to the Lurssen family of fast attack craft (maybe an evolved MGB62 or Kilic design). Yet we are stuck with five ships which do not work as intended and can not carry a helicopter. The Polish MEKO corvette looks positively impressive by comparison.

    in reply to: Royal Navy FSC two tier thing or whatever it is called now #2039103
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    Pedant mode – GRP is a composite, so I assume you are refering to Carbon-fibre composites (CFRP)?

    You are quite right, my bad.

    in reply to: Royal Navy FSC two tier thing or whatever it is called now #2039108
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    Now, Comandante Foscari thus has a composites superstructure to reduce topweight. The hull is and remains steel.

    These figures may now have been supersed by new vessels but a couple years ago the largest non steel limits were: GRP mine hunters at around 50m 700 t, composites around 60m 600 t, alumimium (mono-hull sailing yacht): 90m ?t, (multi-hull Benchijigua Express ferry 127m).

    in reply to: Aussie News, Broad spectrum #2039731
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    Studies I have done show very few designs able to meet the RAN’s requirement and taking all this into account, it leaves out the German 212/214 classes or the new “Cheap Sub” from France DCN, given relations over the Type 471’s in RAN service- it is highly doubtful that Australia will return to Sweden anytime soon for sub designs. This leaves three logical and possible solutions; 1. Electric powered Virgina class from the US (in the past the USN has offered the RAN D/E powered LA boats but were turned down due to the cost of refitting the design for such power), 2. Electric powered Astute class boats from the UK (similar problems as those faced coming from the US, 3. Spain is known to posses a Scorpean design that is bigger and does incorperate TLAM’s and AIP. Now having a pure electric motor does negate having AIP, the fact that this design includes TLAM’s seems to open a few eyes.

    Ja, while existing TKMS and DCNS SSK designs are too small for requirements here they may both be eyeing a larger boat, and TKMS as of 2007 has a “large submarine” on their roadmap. You can have a debate about the many other factors in this, however from a technical standpoint do not leave out the new French SSN, Barracuda (Suffren class). This is smaller (4,700t) than the UK and US SSNs and already has a “hybrid” nuclear-electric propulsion system that just might take alternative prime movers.

    Something else that bugs me with this announcement is the figure of AUD25billion being thrown around. Let’s say this figure is derived at in a similar way to the recent Canadian programmes which total up acquisition cost and cost of operation for 25-year period.

    in reply to: O/T The real politics behind the CVF…….Very funny #2043570
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    Entertaining but some of it is utter B*llocks!

    Melting holes in the deck?

    Hurricane force winds on deck?

    Not allowed to use the F35 outside the UK?

    If you have evidence to the contrary maybe you would like to share.
    If not 100% fact on these programmes they have still raised valid points in the past and rumours about F-35B’s impact on flying operations (and structure) have not exactly gone away.

    in reply to: HDW MRD 10000 #2043958
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    Yes. I presume TKMS know what they’re doing (they’ve built enough ships), & she doesn’t look worse than many cruise ships which have ridden out hurricanes safely enough, but as someone said, you can see why she has thrusters both ends. Would need ’em coming alongside in heavy weather.

    Cruise ships and large ferries are indeed quite impressive these days. Try and look up Irish Ferries’ M/F Ulysses which was built to deal with difficult conditions on the Hollyhead-Dublin route.
    But no matter what they are built for, unexpected conditions can still unsettle these vessels, as recently shown when FS Tonnerre was torn from its moorings near Toulon and drifted across the harbour before 10 tugs came to the rescue.
    http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=105864

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