Easy now… these boats have to last another 10 years until a second batch of K130s or (hopefully) something new from TKMS/Kockums can be paid for.
Buy small series of specialised ships from local industry and that’s you end up with. No economies of scale like FREMM, or reducing cost per unit through export orders. Mind you, against some other projects my tax dollars (well, ££s) are funding now this still looks like a bargain.
For simplicity’s sake just those 3 would of course be good, however for the foreseeable future its going to look more like this ( and I am probably missing half anyway):
Future Light Utility Helicopter replacing Squirrel and Gazelle
Battlefield Utility Helicopter replacing Puma and Sea King HC
Battlefield Reconnaissance Helicopter (FLynx)
Maritime Surface Attack (FLynx)
Various Legacy Lynx versions and possibly even Sea Kings
Merlin HC
Merlin HAS
Chinook HC Mk 2
For over water ASW or similar naval operations Merlin with 3 engines and longer endurance looks a better fit, and the FLynx will be a good option for some naval utility tasks, but there is still a gap that the NH90, able to fit and go places where the Merlin and Chinook cannot, should fill. And with AgustaWestland part of the NH team, a share of production should also be possible. But then there are so many other options, and this thing called AW149
It is arguable that the best deal would be to simply give BAE the contract to build three bare carrier hulls, and then hand them over to Thales to be fitted out!
If we go with the rough estimates for how the cost for modern naval warships break down we would have 1/3 building the hull, and 2/3 outfitting, systems, sensors, armaments etc. I don’t think BAE/VT would be entirely satisfied with this, even with 3 hulls. And that again completely ignores the fact that expertise, capacity and opportunities to reduce cost exist abroad in the hull construction segment. I fear this whole debate is going to roll around before too long when MARS gets under way, somebody is bound to propose building some of those in a yard in the far east, for outfitting in the UK.
For now, I wish, agreement of any sort, on actually getting to work.
Budgets are tight, schedules looking ever more ambitious, yet British industry and Politicians can seemingly always rely on the media to whip up some anti-French sentiments when it suits their purposes, when in actual fact an argument could (and is) being made that having some of the steelwork and cabin fittings etc done by an enormous (Norwegian owned) French commercial yard that is capable of churning out big cruise ships at an impressive rate (and has done 2 front halves for the Mistral LPHs on the side) should speed things up and reduce cost.
If all players really wanted to, that is. And it does not sound like it: “You can kiss goodbye to the carriers being delivered on time if the French are involved”
I was under the impression that any investigation concluded that the missile warhead did not detonate after the impact near the hangar, while the missile fuel did burn in several compartments and the hangar (causing the loss of the embarked aircraft). The image of the ship post-damage came from open source (newspaper), so should still be out there.
I am not sure sonar would penetrate a substantial steel pressure hull and produce any kind of return from internal structures below, especially if air or hollow spaces are involved. The skeleton support structure, maybe. And of course internal noise reduction and dampening is important. This is a high-frequency sonar for survey and similar things, but maybe this is still representative:
http://www.l-3klein.com/image_gallery/5000_images/canasub/canasub.html
As for getting cheap contractors to superglue tiles to $300 million+ machines of war.. it seems so wrong. Sign of the times maybe.
Kinda makes sense to put them internally were you can, given their propensity to fall off ….. as long as they are dry or contained in some way e.g. in a sandwaich as Austin mentioned. Otherwise, potential to fall off and end up floating/bouncing around – cannot imagine that would be popular!
I heard a story once that at one point the Soviet tiles were so heavy, they “bolted” them onto the hull – may have kept them on, but must have degraded their performance. I would assume they’d have tried to cut down the size/weight of them since then.
Its difficult to conceive (for me anyway) of a material you could use that wasn’t a polymer…..
As far as I can tell anechoic tiles are, and need to be mounted where they can actually intercept active sonar before it bounces of the steel hull, and they form the outermost layer of the submarine hull. Most (?) submarines these days are thus coated with plastic or rubber based tiles or panels that are bolted/mounted on to the pressure hull. And they do fall off… close up of this appears even worse.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/ConMediaFile.20090
How? You do realsie that the G&B design uses mk41 aswell?
If in doubt check again here: http://www.gibbscox.com/awd/images/AWD_Release_08-03-06.htm
In fact, the Evolved Design has more Mk 41 VLS cells. Unfortunately it looks hideous, but that debate has been had in the past and needn’t be revived.
Malaysia has placed an order with South Korea for the production of a multipurpose warship that can also be used as a hospital ship, a news report said Sunday (March 11).
No it hasn’t. Not even a proper project under way yet. This report comes under the same category as the recent announcement about “amphibious” XK2 (K2 really) main battle tanks, which are also certain to be chosen by Turkey…
Or hit the rocks when they were nearly completely submerged at high tide and was truly stuck there at low tide when most of the images were taken.
There is an image of a Norwegian Hauk class fast attack boat in a similar position on another forum btw.
It has since been dragged off and sailed to a nearby port (or base?) for inspection.
Due to steel-hulled nature and shock resistance requirements that MCM entails the damage may be not that bad. However, that non-magnetic steel may be tricky to repair and weld.
The Clemenceau stayed in toulon for nearly 8 years since its withdrawal in October 1997.
Watch this space… this is where Clemenceau resides since returning from its round-the-world cruise (by tug) last year.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=48.365003,-4.511218&spn=0.003236,0.007231&t=k&om=1
It also plays to one of the core idea’s with the Armidales. They are not being built for a 20-25 year life. 10-15 is more likely, and the RAN is planning to replace them with another local design, short-life vessel.
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Quite sure I read something about a design life of 20 years though. Let’s return to this question in 2015…
No worries. I noticed the Patrol Boat > Fremantle section is split that way, however don’t think its kept in real time. According to the RAN website there are still 6 boats in service, however based on a DoD news release dated 7 Oct 2006 HMAS Geraldton became the 11th to have been decommissioned. So at most there could be 4 left, some more of which may have gone by now.
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/DepartmentalTpl.cfm?CurrentId=6053