It WAS shot in the Czech Republic. Pardubice, I think, but I might be wrong on that. Historian and technical adviser Zdenek Hurt (author of the recent Czechs in the RAF book and many others) wanted it to be shot in southern England but the costs were too high. This doesn’t detract from its quality. The director was responsible for the Oscar-winning Kolya, nothing to do with aeroplanes but a really enjoyable film nevertheless. The hero does with a cello bow what was done with a joystick in Dark Blue World. Maybe it is a recurring theme in his films!
Is this the one?
RF605 FB VI 248 Sqn. Tentsmuir Ranges, Fife (Near RAF Leuchars)
Force-landed downwind after starboard engine caught fire. Aircraft burnt out, both crew killed. 18/5/45.
Don’t apologise, Nosediver. Because you are a southerner, or at least live in the south, I made the probably unwarranted assumption that you were unfamiliar with the Mersey! Helicopter rides – yes, the Helicentre at Liverpool Airport about three miles away. I really must ask them to investigate while on a training flight. We in ATC do them plenty of favours!
Don’t even think about walking to the Spit on the sandbank, guys. The deep water entrance channel to the Manchester Ship Canal runs between it and the shore!
Several organisations are aware of the existence of the Spitfire because I told them. They are all very interested but, so far, nobody has actually done anything about it. What sort of a state it is in after about 36,000 tides I dread to think. However, the wings seem to be buried in sand and mud so may be better preserved than one might imagine.
About ten years ago, I was working in Liverpool Tower when a locally-based Chipmunk pilot requested to orbit the 09 final approach over the river. Since it was quiet, permission was readily granted. Curious, I asked if he was looking for the Hurricane wreck. He confirmed this and said he was also looking for any sign of the Heston Phoenix lost in the river around 1940. He saw nothing and I suggested that it would be more fruitful to look at the Spitfire site on the other side of the river. He confirmed that there was something in the sand in the right place but it looked like a boat.
For Nosediver, if you are not familiar, the Mersey is nearly three miles wide at this point! It certainly has the makings of an exciting recovery if we can first ascertain what is actually there.
At this point, I must confess that I wrote the FlyPast article about wrecks in the Mersey. (About five years ago, maybe, I haven’t got the copy to hand.)
Mark, those photos are brilliant! I think that the marsh has shrunk since then and this area is now tidal. The opposite of the Ribble A-26 site, in fact. I shall have to take a walk round there in the near future and see if there are any bits lying about.
In answer to Nosediver, I am not sure about the water depth over the Mersey Spitfire at high tide. Would guess 10-15 feet.
The Berlin aircraft was a Cessna 310. I used to work with an ex-wartime ferry pilot who told me that Hughie Green was not very popular with his colleagues! Photos exist of Coronados at Beaumaris.
Apart from being a brilliant author and researcher, Roger was an extremely nice chap. Back in the 1970s, he found time to answer several letters from me about USAAF high ground crash sites. Subsequent meetings confirmed my first impressions. If there were an American equivalent of an honorary knighthood, Roger richly deserved it for his meticulous histories of the 8th.
It is either LZ146 or LX946, both from No 304 Ferry Training Unit at RAF Port Ellen. They crashed on high ground not far from the airfield on the same night, 12 Sept 1943. The accident investigators believed that the crew of one might have flown into high ground while watching the other aircraft burning on the ground. The same night, another Beau was written off in a heavy landing. It caught fire but prompt action by the station fire party allowed the crew to escape.
The quite substantial remains of Firefly WB336 of 717 Sqdn are also on Islay. Crashed on a training flight from Eglinton 25/9/51.
A few years ago I was shown a newspaper cutting of this Spitfire wreck so the aircraft was definitely in pretty good condition in the 1950s at least.
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Thanks for that, Mark. I take your point about this still being a “belt”. Unfortunately, years of seawater corrosion have made it impossible to dismantle the thing without total destruction, apart from the stainless steel nuts and bolts.
Further to my last message, I meant that the numbers and letters were on the bolt heads, not the nuts.
Interesting theory, Mark, but the thing appears to be solidly fixed together with bolts right through secured by a nut. Further cleaning revealed an L and RC16 in a circle on one of the nuts. All the others have what under a strong light and a magnifying glass appears to be Z6F rather than 26F. The font is rather like an old typewriter’s.
Thanks for that info Ross, I had forgotten the RAF stores ref thread. From the list, I suspect it may be a piece of Jindivik but the wreckage from these tends to have washed up further south in Cardigan Bay. There is only 26F on the bolts; no further suffix. Could be a Hunter or Vampire from way out in the Irish Sea.