This is a slide from 2001. It clearly shows, PRE-SWAT, that the IOC for the USMC was 2010, not 2008.

There may have been some people, pre X-35, who thought that it could be done by 2008, but when they met up with people who actually develop & build planes, they had to face reality.

If you meant that POST-SWAT, the FF for STOVL was supposed to be 2008, then yes it is late by 2 years.

Spudman,
that’s fine, but this was already a revised schedule. Back in the mid 90s when the JSF programme was launched the specified date was 2008, not 2010. And even if you just take that schedule from 2001, the year where the X-35 was selected as the winning design, it’s clearly more than 6 month behind schedule. The point is that pfcem appears to try to draw a wrong picture by taking the revised schedules as the starting point and not those originally specified. And that’s why his attempts look somewhat ridiculous. I don’t know why it is so difficult for some to accept the hard facts. I mean it’s nothing special or unique to the F-35, virtually all modern military aircraft programmes are running behind schedule and above cost, the Super Hornet is an exception here and the Gripen was at least not that bad in comparison to other programmes like the F-22, F-35, Eurofighter or Su-34 for that matter. I don’t see the reasoning behind that kind of denial, does he benefit in any way from twisting the truth or why does he desperately try to “sell” us that nonsense?

I suppose the 2008 figure from the beginning of the JSF programme was more some kind of date specified by the potential customer (not sure on that).

And yet another thread hi-jacked by the F-22/35 crowd.

Anyway, is there any further news out there on test flights? It was mentioned that there are 3 PAK-FA prototypes, of which one is a static frame as evidenced by the photos in this thread.
Do we know then if the second PAK-FA has flown?
If not, is there a published schedule?
Any further pictures out there?

There are currently three prototypes. T-50-0 is a static airframe for structural load testing which has been transfered from Komosomolsk to Zhukowski on 29th October 2009. The second prototype is T-50KNS. This aircraft was used for the first taxi trials on 22nd December 2009 and is used for grounds trials and systems testing. The first flyable prototype is T-50-1 which has conducted three test flights, including the first test flight on 29th January 2010. The aircraft is now in a lay-up and is modified before it will be moved to Zhukowski and resumes flight testing in April 2010.
The engines for the second flying prototype T-50-2 has just been delivered as reported in a press release above. The T-50-2 is scheduled to fly at the ende of 2010. According to the current plans another to prototypes should be ready in 2011. One of them is T-50-3 another static airframe for fatigue testing and the T-50-4, the third flying prototype which will be primarily used for avionics testing.

Hope that helps.

cheers

(Of course if they’re going to hollow out the Eagle’s CFTs so they can stuff missiles in them that’s going to take a huge bite out of the range.)

Not quite so, the modified CFTs still hold some fuel and according to Boeing combat radius reduction is 100 nm in the AA role and 80 nm in the AG role.

Good work Planeman. Just some notes about the Flankers. While Russian may still have more than 300 Su-27, only 168 are currently in active service. There were no more than 6 Su-30 delivered of which only 4 or 5 are still in service. There are currently no Su-35 in the inventory, though 4 aircraft are said to be completed this year, delivers won’t start before 2011.

9.61 is actually the internal designation for the single seat MiG-29M1/MiG-35, while 9.67 is the internal designation of the twin seat MiG-29M2/MiG-35D. The MiG-35 was originally meant to be an upgraded variant of the MiG-29M only, featuring new sensors as required by the IAF for its MMRCA competition.

The wingspan of the T-50 appears to be shorter than that of the Su-27, that was my very first impression from the first flight video. I assume it’s more around 14 m.

I think so too Mack8. As mentioned above the prototype/pre-series aircraft or whatever category we can field this aircraft doesn’t resemble the configuration of the MAKS 2007 model, but much more matches what one would expect from a family development.

Nice so we finally see the first new built MiG-35 prototype. Are there other pictures as well and is it known when this aircraft was first flown? Appears to lack the OLS-K and it more closely resembles the conventional configuration, rather than the config shown at the MAKS 2007.