We aren’t talking about the F-35 here and while any of these sensors might be a source for such data, not many of these sources can transmit the MCG. ESM and IRST for instance won’t transmit anything and unless the 9X II is fitted with multiple DLs to cope with range of frequencies in use it will receive MCG from, at best two sources MADL and APG-81 in particular depending on the band that MADL operates in. If MADL could do this then it would be a pretty valuable capability to have at your disposal. The question is can it? I would appreciate it if you respond in the F-35 thread.
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What’s the datalink on the 9X good for when it can’t be supported beyond radar angular coverage and when its range performance is relatively short as well? And for that matter there is no “pre-launch” agility, so any missile is per definition post-launch maneuvrable. I suppose you mean off-rail agility?
They actually do, maybe because the window where the core nations could theoretically order T3B hasn’t closed yet. Reality is however that all partner nations have already publically communicated that they won’t buy any additional aircraft beyond the current orders. More important in my opinion is that they are making continous progress with the development of the aircraft, albeit the current state of affairs is not overly well reflected in the public domain. T2EP2 which should soon be announced as on contract will bring some pretty nice capability enhancements with it. Drop 3 is basically through its developmental testing stage and work on Drop 4 is already in parts on the road. Add the recently signed Meteor integration contract, Captor-E that has always been an active development programme since FSD launched and a number of other development activities that may sooner or later be announced, but that are already underway.
Unless there are additional orders from existing (unlikely) and/or new (more likely) customers the final number is 571, not 719. Neither of the core nations feels commited to buy any additional aircraft on top of what has been ordered to date. In this case Eurofighter is misleading and parrots numbers that are long obsolete and that will never be achieved unless there are some substantial new export orders.
It covers all aircraft ordered to date by the core nations and export customers, including Oman and takes into account all aircraft diverted to other countries and their respective replacements.
In other words from an orders perspective:
UK: 160 (53 T1, 67 T2, 40 T3A incl. 26 twinseats, 3 IPAs and the PMAFT airframe)
GE: 143 (33 T1, 79 T2, 31 T3A incl. 32 twinseats, 3 IPAs)
IT: 96 (28 T1, 47 T2, 21 T3A incl. 15 twinseats, 1 IPA)
SP: 73 (19 T1, 34 T2, 20 T3A incl. 14 twinseats, 1 IPA)
KSA: 72 (48 T2, 24 T3A incl. 14 twinseats)
AUT: 15 (all T1)
Oman: 12 (all T3A incl. 3 twinseats)
What many still haven’t recognised is the very fact that the days of quadrinational agreements being a pre-condition to launch developments are gone in the Eurofighter programme. There is still some concurrency with regards to engineering resources and flight test assets, but these are the only stumbling blocks. Every customer can now outline his national requirements and schedules. If authorised by national authorities any customer can trigger the development of national upgrades and if they affect part that lay within the responsibility of another partner company they can contract it to perform the work required. Other customers join these programmes or buy into it afterwards if they want to do it, enabling the originator to recover some of the costs. In many cases it is tried to merge these national developments with quadrinational developments at a later stage and in some cases one nations developments are adopted by another one on a national base as well. It’s still the policy to bring as many partners aboard as possible for the major upgrades at least to spread development costs over multiple partners and to benefit from the economy of scales during the retrofit phase. There are several examples for this such as the austere A/S capability package, the R2P/Q & T2P/Q radar softwares, the UK DASS Enhancements, the German sort lines, the Italian PIRATE firmware upgrade or the Saudis integration of the Damocles LDP, to name a few prominent examples.
Judging by the looks it takes up a smaller volume, combined with more modern materials and larger bays (larger hollow areas) I’d say it’s a given that it’s lighter. The number I have seen is ~1 tonne less than F22.
By that measure the F-22 should be lighter than the F-15 as well, but the reality is that it’s almost 7t heavier.
Judging by looks is always difficult, except for aerodynamics, but anything internal can’t be seriously judged by looks at all. The 18500 kg figure floating around the public domain is widely spread, but that figure emerged shortly after the T-50’s first flight, so the question to ask is: where does this figure originates from? Up to date there has been no credible or official source to confirm this or any other empty weight figure for that matter. So my advice is, consume it with care. It might be the “best” out there at this point in time, because it is the only one. But that doesn’t mean that it’s correct.
It has a lower weight and lower frontal cross section… So I think the current engines are good enough to match the performance of the F22. With the definitive version the Pak FA will have more thrust and lower weight… and lower cross section, so I think its a reasonable assumption that it will outperform the F22 by quite a margin. Especially if the 175KN max thrust figure is accurate (18 tonnes thrust according to Paralay).
What will be the T-50’s true empty weight? There is no confirmed weight figure out there, yet people are talking about it as a given.
If you’ve never seen the missile before you’d probably wouldn’t recognize its distinct feature which is what one will see in the picture.
Could have been anything to me, but yes I’m completely unfamilar with that missile. The most recent image posted on page 23 of this thread is more obvious, though it looks somewhat weird (PSed).
Please note the PL-10 in the side-bay !
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I can’t see anything in the bay!?
In the context of a magazine article, the meaning of the phase “all bands” is not clear. It could equally well mean all the bands that the system was designed to cover.
That would be my interpretation as well.
To the best of by knowledge, there are no documents in the public domain that detail the frequency range and exact capabilities of the ALR-94 and Spectra. So most of the comments being made in this thread are speculation.
There have been sources suggesting that SPECTRA’s ESM coverage is 2-40 GHz, some suggest a lower frequency capability as well. But that’s more forum hearsay, while the E-K band coverage is feasibile and merely inline with other modern systems. However, that doesn’t tell us anything about the AN/ALR-94.
The sort of multi role SEAD/DEAD capability you are seing is more akin to that possessed by the F-35, which is scheduled to receive all that you are talking about including DAS,EOTS,EW everything fused with the AESA and displayed on the HMD tactical display some years in the future..
Fixed it for you.:cool:
Another shot of the Tiger image credit as above Bavarian Tigers
Obsolete due to follow on post.
Special paint schemes for Luftwaffe Typhoons have recently been unveilled.
These shots of GS0077/31+00 show the special markings for the JaboG 31’s 55th anniversary.


There’s also a first Luftwaffe “Tiger” Typhoon (GS0018/30+29) from JG74.

Image credits Luftwaffe and Bavarian Tigers Association.