Thx for the break down H_K!
@glitter
Thanks for the reply. The question is, however, what were the respective goals and where were they met or not?
Wrt the cost overrun I just asked due to the statement made by Too_Cool. There are many claims made, while rarely properly argued and proven.
@TMor
Thanks for the reply.
Is it already known whether France will slash its Rafale commitment to 225 AC or is the decision still pending?
And if so are there any confirmed numbers of the respective models?
Why are people even wasting time replying to that clown?
Be careful with the conclusion, because I have the feeling you’re heading in the wrong direction.
For me, the real issue is simply if the goal of the program is clearly established.
Let’s see:
Rafale: yes
Gripen: yes
Typhoon: No
F-35: no
Problems that plagued the A-400M devellopement can come in mind as well.
What do you mean with “goal established”? That the aircraft meets the requirements as laid out in the specifications?
Btw. people keep claiming that the Rafale programme cost has grown by 4% only and I understand that this has been stated by Mr. Edelstenne (IIRC). But how does this claim match the with real numbers? In 2006 it was stated that total programme costs would be 33 bln € incl. R&D plus production of 294 aircraft. The estimate has grown by about 10 bln € ever since, how is this explained? I understand that VAT may have increased a bit, but numbers have been altered as well, production run is further stretched out and there is of course inflation. Are the figures adjusted for inflation, is that known and does the latest estimates take upgrades into account that go beyond the definitive F3 standard? These might be possible explainations for the cost growth, but are they valid?
@emile
That’s false! The MiG-29M2 demonstrator had no wingtip rails, the MiG-29M-OVT did a some point. Both demonstrators should be regarded as such, they aren’t production representative.
The MiG-29M/M2 production variants are the land based variants of the MiG-29K/KUB, while the MiG-35 is an enhanced version based on the MiG-29M developed to meet the IAF’s more stringent requirements of the MMECA.
TVC is optionally offered for those customers who require it. To answer the original wuestion the MiG-35 is first and foremost a MiG-29M with a new sensor suite. It is noteworthy that RAC MiG decided to built an all new familiy of land based and carrierborne single and twin seaters. The effort was pushed by India’s interest in the MiG-29K and after the tests with the MiG-29M2 demonstrator (converted from the 4th MiG-29M prototype) proved that the reshaped canopy of the two seater didn’t affect the aircraft’s aerodynamics. In 2002 it was subsequently decided that the navalised twin seater would form the baseline variant from which all other variants should be derived. It seems that some of the originally planned changes for the M variants (smaller flaps) have been abondoned like later proposed changes for the MiG-35 (10 pylons, new vertical stabs) for simplicity and greater commonality between the variants.
All new MiG-29Ks and MiG-29Ms have probes. The two aircraft originally destined for Syria (#741 and #747) are the only notable exception.
How many new MiG-29M have been build? Are there more than those two for Syria and are there any customers following the cancellation of the Syrian deal?
Around 2015 if export customers require it, latter if not. The RBE2AA is already in full rate production.
There will be two instrumented test aircraft that will be used for AESA development testing, the British T1 sigle seat IPA5 and the German T3A twin seat IPA8 which is currently in final assembly.
Interesting that there appears to be no refueling probe on that aircraft. Flaps and wi g folding mechanism appear to be retai ed from the K variant as well.
65 EF-18`s right now, in four squadrons and a OCU, there´s no 14 planes in the OCU, there´s no 18 in each operational squadron, and they are flying, right now 142 squadron has less than a dozen planes, 113 as the OCU unit has less than 14, and so on, if the air force gets the 73 planes, you can count with the four squadrons and the OCU. 141 now is flying about 8 planes heading to retirement. And another thing, if a Wing gets 30 planes, nobody says that both squadrons are going to get 15 each…
Which would be a reduction in numbers per sqn. The question is has the EdA stated any new plans? It is curious that there are so little information out there regarding the planning of the EdA considering the new situation. Not even all dates of sqn inauguration.
As said, without adjusting sqn strength or ordering additional aircraft the plan can’t be implemented as envisaged (14 for OCU and 18 per operational sqn). Previously I thought that 112 Escuadron was already operational, but it isn’t.
With the orders currently fix at 73 aircraft I doubt that we’ll see 5 squadrons. Unless Spain orders additional aircraft in the future or seriously reduces sqn strength there will be 4 sqns only.
Don’t worry ASM integration is slatted for later export configurations and as history has shown the pace of integration of weapons on the Typhoon is unfortunately not overly quick, especially if there is no customer requirement plus associated commitment.
The Harpoons on are actually fitted to the inboard wing pylons and thus there still room for two wing tanks. Albeit One or two ASMs are most likely more realistic. Harpoon has been suggested as an anti-ship missile option years ago. Meanwhile a handful of ASMs have been suggested starting with the Penguin Mk3, NSM, RBS-15, Harpoon and Marte-ERP. I found the later to be interesting due to the compact design and the limitations inposed by the IBWP’s proximity to the MLG.