Perhaps not weapon/software on this particular test(picture), but they might have newer KAB 250 version down the pipeline with same weight class and shape, in which case would make it entirely valid to fly with them.
And even if its a 5th gen bird, it would be outright idiotic not to give it full range of weapons trials.
You only need dumb bombs to blow up some bierdies out in the desert. No need for a 50.000$ bomb when you can make do with much less.
Future conflict will also be fought on the cheap(different doctrines).. By Russia, China among other nations.
And as time goes, VKS will get less of their average 3-4 gen workhorses jets and more PakFa.To directly compaire how US operate their 5th gen assets with how Russia operate theirs, would in any case be outright a big mistake..
A KAB-250 doesn’t have the same shape at all, no PGM has the same aeorynamics as dumb bombs. That apart it would be a complete waste to use the T-50 as a low level dumb iron deliverer. For this you have Su-24s and Su-25s and in the worst case, in the future you still have other less expensive platform. Given the likely limited number of T-50s the RuAF will acquire it’s better to use them to the greatest possible effect and don’t waste it for what could be done by any tactical combat aircraft back to insophisticated types 40 years ago.
They were renamed when they were used to support MiG-35 testing for India in the first place. This doesn’t mean that the designation for the less advanced versions (M-Scan radar, less comprehensive EO and EW systems) is no longer valid.
@Msphere
The ~4.5t figure applied to the original MiG-29M/K (9.15/9.31). For the newer models it’s about 5.2t IIRC, mentioned years ago in relation to the new MiG-29K.
The sole difference between the new MiG-29M and MiG-35 is the sensor suite. Could be that they have droppes the M designation and call all land based models -35. Would be news to me though.
You of all people should recognize the point in why a T-50 is dragning around with old armament from S U times..
Its about software, pylon, release, increased weight and stress on airframe structure, asymmetrisk load configuration.. testing/sertification.. probably many more reasons..
Doesn’t mean the Future Pak-FA will fly around with these on strike missions…Sometimes a picture can tell a tousand words.. Sometimes it cannot.
Btw, it looks like they replaced the MLG doors.. new composites material perhaps ?
And because of this I consider it a waste. Each bomb with a different design and weight needs dedicated flutter testing and separation trials, conducting such tests with a type of bomb that you don’t intend to use operationally is pointless and a waste of time, effort and ressources. It won’t really help you for developing software either. They better use dummies of weapons that they actually intend to use operationally and gather aero data for such weapons, while possibly conducting other tests incl. structural tests. It’s always better to use representative stores for performing these tests creating synergies instead of wasting valuable ressources and being forced to repeat many tests as you cannot fully transfer the results of one weapon to another. Maybe they don’t have representative test/training rounds of stores like the KAB-250 available at this point, which could be an explaination. In such a case I’d nonetheless opt to spend ressources on tests with weapons that are relevant to the aircraft’s envisaged mission spectrum and profiles.
Scroll up through the various posts over these last few pages. Take note of who posts links/sources and who doesn’t. I find it quite telling actually.
The last 8ish pages have been nothing but you and a few others getting corrected over and over and over again.
You cam flatter yourself as much as you want. You haven’t proven me wrong on any account. Using strawmen by argueing about different things is hardly correcting anyone. But no need to waste more time with you.
Still OFAB 250/270 has passed th Syrian test with full votes, Kab-500s just reached sufficency.
Note also that they unlike most more modern weapons are completely covered by the wing’s shadow, so they would not be noticed by a plane flying at higher quotes…
Whatever test. Ofcourse free fall bombs are cheap and if you don’t care about collateral damage and don’t face any serious type of airdefences they are good enough. But arming a 5th gen multirole fighter with free fall bombs looks utterly inappropriate, not to say it’s a complete waste IMO.
Nothing like a gross weight clearance or specifics of the envelope have been released (other than corner speed for 240-3)
The first mention of the 9g maneuvering requirement with full fuel once air to ground weapons expended is in the oft mentioned Bowman paper.
Second is from http://www.airforcemag.com/magazinearchive/pages/2012/november%202012/1112fighter.aspx
There are other documents but these two come to mind.
Thanks for the link. An interesting snippet that I found within this article is the ability to interrogate targets in the rear hemispehere. Would be interesting to know what kind of approach they have taken for this capability.
Full external bomb load
What a 5th generation AG weapons load:highly_amused:
…and yet look how people around here are reacting. If you ever needed proof that many of the posters here are posting based on emotions rather than logic these last few pages are all you need.
That applies to yourself…:sleeping:
Thanks Ozair. Is there any particular logic behind the 3C designation?
Back to the F-35 quite a lot of people here insist that the F-35A is/will be cleared for 9 g with full internal fuel. Is there any factual evidence available, possibly in the shape of a gross weight clearance? Is the aircraft actually cleared for 9 g or is this scehduled for 3F?
Thank you. Institutively, I would say that the drop clearance question lies in the presence or not of powerful catapults in the pylons ;).
Sorry if it was confusing, I didn’t talk about the clearance of dropping the tanks, but the mach clearance of the aircraft with the SFTs fitted. The pylons, incl. the integrated ejection unit are part of the tank itself.
Rgr. But I was referring to the available power to compensate for the drag of 3 EFT. Without those ones, it looks like as if the power would allow the Typhoon to reach even higher Mach. The stated maximum seems more in line with arrested temp limitation for the CFRP material… My 2 cents.
The Typhoon was specified with a Mach 2.0 performance and matches this requirement. Whether the aircraft could go faster on grounds of aerodynamics and propulsion efficiency is unknown to me, a temperature limit applies, as you said and this is a definitely limiting factor.
I can’t tell to what extend the 1000 l drop tanks limit the speed performance wise, what I can tell you is that the drop tanks have a M 1.8 clearance. Whether the stated M 1.8 figure only reflects the drop tanks clearance or whether it coincides with the drag limit as well, is nothing I can tell you, however.
Maybe devote your time to the concept that just because something appears on somebody’s spec sheet that doesn’t make it required for a mission.
Can a U-2 do recon? What about a Predator? What about a Rivet Joint? Do they check your boxes? If not, does that mean they don’t do recon?
You can’t just invent a list of requirements and act like those are somehow universal… The F-35 most certainly has some significant recon capabilities in that it has the ability to collect and disseminate a lot of information.
http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f35_article.html?item_id=182
Does that sound like reconnaissance?
What about this:
https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/F-35LightningIIEOTS.html
Ok I’ll drop out here, because that Mr. hopsalot is the perfect illustration of a strawman, in full accordance with your very own perception of this terms meaning!
Thank you Sintra and FBW. I had a better read on a bigger screen.
So, it is an impressive performance, not quite useful at range but for a dash or a take off on alert, it does bring obvious advantage. M1.8 is as fast also as a Rafale can goes and it is allegedly even faster that a 35.
It sounds like the Eurofighter is material limited for its max speed.
There is a structural limit defined as KEAS, not Mach. Typically you wouldn’t go beyond M 1.5-1.6 anyway as it’s a good speed for weapons employment and one you can achieve within a very reasonable timeframe with a full AA load.