Wrong thread…
Maybe the new PS-90A3 has no PW parts? The SM uses the A2 which is embargoed to export to iran.
Yes, I think I read something in that respect.
6, and until the Superjet it was the only Russian aircraft they used for passengers! A shame, but thankfully that is changing now with Superjet, and eventually, MC-21 induction.
Do you think the Il-96 still has a chance of getting more sales? latest aircraft produced were VIP or transport variants.
I though the US stuff (engines – PW) had been retired, or that American companies had stopped collaborating with the engines.
Not a very good title for a book on the Tu-160.
I thought the MiG-31 was “Russia’s answer” to the B-1?
If you are that picky, you might also say that in reality, it should be Soviet Union’s answer 😉
“Tupolev Tu-160 Blackjack – Russia’s answer to the B-1” by Yefim Gordon – Volume 9 in the ‘Red Star’ series has some of your answers.
Thanks Ken. I read this book a few years ago. As with many Gordon’s book, it’s the best reference available in english, but I did not find many details on the Ukrainian-Russian negotiations for the aircraft.
Nice table Berkut, here is my version (in Spanish). Note that I have only included contracts that have been signed, not options. I thought only 22 Mi-35M were acquired.
26-3-2012
Sujoi:
– 30 Su-30SM (Marzo 2012)
– 92 Su-34 (Febrero 2012)
– 48 Su-35 *(Agosto 2009)
– 12 Su-27SM3 (Agosto 2009)
– 4 Su-30M2 (Agosto 2009)
MiG:
– 24 MiG-29K (para la marina, Febrero 2012)
– Modernización de 60 MiG-31 al estándard BM (Diciembre 2011).
Yakovlev:
– 55 Yak-130 (Diciembre 2011)
Kamov:
– 140 Ka-52 hasta 2020 (2011)
Mil-Mi:
– 67+30 Mi-28N Havoc (67 firmados en el 2005, y 30 en el 2010).
– 22 Mi-35M (Junio 2010)
– 22 Mi-26T.
Antonov:
– 40 An-70 (Junio 2010)
– 10 An-124 (Enero 2012, por confirmar).
– 10 An-140 (2011).
Tupolev:
– Modernización de 30 Tu-22M3 al estándard M3M.
VVS acquisition of Flanker class aircraft. Identified contracts:
– 30 Su-30SM (March 2012)
– 92 Su-34 (February 2012)
– 48 Su-35 (August 2009)
– 12 Su-27SM3 (August 2009)
– 4 Su-30M2 (August 2009)
In another forum I have been discussing about the acquistion of Su-30SM, Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3. Summary of each version:
– Su-30SM: Russian version of Su-30MKI. It’s built in IAPO and some (if not all) of the foreign equipment will be replaced by Russian.
– Su-30M2: Russian version of Su-30MK2 (exported to China), built at KnAAPO. Its less advanced than the MKI version in terms of avionics, life and other parameters.
– Su-27SM3: Built using components from cancelled Chinese Su-27SK. They are modernized to SM3 standard before going into service.
I would like some opinions on why the VVS is acquiring Su-30SM, Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3.
– Some people think that this is a good oportunity for VVS to get Flankers at good price. As the variants have already been exported, there is no much need for testing. Manufacture would be quick and it would help to build up numbers.
– Some others think that this have to do with politics. VVS decided to help KnAAPO by buying some Su-27SK left at the factory, and IAPO was then compensated. Otherwise they would get more Su-34/35. The MiG-29SMT case would be a similar one.
Isn’t there a contract for 16 Su-25UBM ? Where are they going to be built?
Most modern version of Su-25 use the UB version as a base. The space for the second crew is filled with fuel/equipment.
Some more info about that Su-25SM3
Contract for 36 Su-25SM3 currently underway at the 121st Repair Plant. First 8 handed over in 2011, 16 this year, and 12 in 2013.
Are there any updates regarding a new contract for newly built aircraft. a while ago it was announced that Ulan-Ude would start production of the Su-25. Note extravagant title:
Contract with Irkut for 30 Su-30SM.
This had been previously mentioned in the media, but order is now 30 (before there was talk about 40-:
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110718/165261909.html
It was. It didn’t make it to the pre-evaluation shortlist along with Tiger for reasons that aren’t exactly clear.
Bit off-topic, but do you know why the Tiger did not make it?
1. Yes, but those Il-76s being used around the world are commercially viable only because they were very very cheap. I’m not sure that a new-built Il-476 has a big enough market to make it profitable for Ilyushin at a price those Il-76 users can afford.
I see you point, but the aircraft made from Soviet stocks will eventually run out of life and there are not many alternatives. A400M and C17 are more expensive. The latter might not even be in production. An-70 could be a competitor, but it’s yet to be produced and bought in large numbers.
It has been confirmed, 24 MiG-29K for the Russian Navy.
quote]yes I’ve heard of that before.. every time an air force has issues with a Russian Aircraft.. blame the air force, not the manufacturer.[/quote]
The 13 month delay in paying meant that the aicraft would be delivered in mid 2011 instead of 2010. Then a Peruvian Air Force delegation travelled to Peru to renegotiate payments and deliveries. RSK MiG also shares some of the blame because they were slow in certain aspects: rotation of personnel, subcontractor work. But the end of the day, RSK MiG has other customers who pay more and on time. If you miss a payment by 13 months it’s likely that priority goes to other contracts, Indian UPG upgrade for example).
The whole Peru contract is fishy. The Peruvian government insisted MiG create a Peruvian subsidiary when they awarded the contract. What exactly the Peruvian subsidiary does besides kick back money to Peruvian officials is anyone’s guess. The numbers in MiG’s annual report (Russian law requires they disclose all the Peruvian subs financials) make ZERO sense. The most likely though the most difficult to prove explanation is they are having issues greasing the right hands in Peru. While RSK MiG has been gutted rather thoroughly by UAC there is still enough of an entity left that they can fix 9 lousy airframes. The work on the UPG’s for India isn’t delayed as far as I know and if they can do that why would this pose a challenge requiring over a year of delays?
Yes, the defence minister (what a chap) suggested that the upgrade work could be carried out in Peru. Other politicans even suggested China!
Heck, if the An-70 proves to be effective enough in service the IL-476 may even end up sharing the fate of the IL-112. From 70 planned orders to cancellation halfway through test flights.
I would not be so sure. The way I see it is that many companies are already interested in the type, and elements of the new variant can be used to upgrade older samples. I assume production will be faster than An-70.
MiG company is still in a state of chaos, hasn’t fully recovered to the Soviet era. its now smaller understaffed, under funded.. and what they have left is busy with the IN and RN orders. they need more money to pump capacity.
The Peruvian side is also to blame, as they delayed the first payment by 13 months.
What about Ukraine? At this rate their domestic aircraft manufacturing capability will be lost entirely.
Russia has invested more money in the project; you would expect that they get a higher share of the manufacture. The main Soviet aircraft factories were inherited by Russia, except Aviant (Kiev-Ukraine) and TAPO (Taskent-Uzbekistan).
Apparently, if An-124 production resumes, it would take place in Aviastar (Ulyanovsk-Russia), and not Kiev. Aviastar will also produce Il-476.
More news on Tu-160 (and engines) to be produced again:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20120216.aspx