Loke :
Like many other fine gentlemen , you fail to understand than 1 : RWRs will detect the adverse radar way before the 5th gen to be in range to fire and 2 : to score a BVR kill , the missile must hit .
A missile leaving its rail does not mean a kill , not yet . All good missiles have some ECCMs but none are jam proof . Three things can be jammed , the adverse aircraft ‘s radar if the tracking is continuous , the missile up-link and the missile ‘s radar itself when it goes live .
Without an external “eye” (third part) and/or external tracking (third part) , a 5th gen fighter is in the same sh.t than a 4th gen fighter in BVR , beside the fact that it can close in much easily . Even if it fires at 20-30km , there is still enough time for a good ECM suite to pulse away thousands of electronic tricks .
But if the BVR missile is using an IR seeker , things get a bit more complicated for the defender …
A lot of people believe that such combat will end up WVR .
Cheers .
5th gen IRST/EODAS might change the defination of BVR and WVR a bit though…
5th would have more advantages in tracking and targeting passively, optical or EM wise
if you can spot enemy first, and moves faster, you’ll have the initiative on whether/when/where to attack
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