In a years time….when you’re on RYR…..DO NOT drink from the lucazade bottles you find laying around!! They may not be lucazade!

I think it says “If you can read this you are too gulllible…” Did you know there are three “L’s” in gulllible by the way ? 😀

But to address the ‘salient’ point, yes those must be ghost planes, I’m sure I read about them in Witch Magazine once, BA and other LHR operators fly them around empty all the time to keep their landing slots secure during quiet “spells”. Apparently ‘Spirit’ Airlines do the same…;)

Now then, who would like to look on Goulie Earth for the half airliner landing at Schipol near the Poltergeist…sorry Polderbaan.:diablo:

How long have you been thinking this reply up?! 😀

JOb losses?

Does anyone think that, if an airport makes less money from actually having Ryanair operate, then they may become less likely to offer Ryanair such strikingly low deals in future?

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At the moment there is no sign towards this happening, with Airports still throwing themselves at RYR. If you look at Hahn, Fraport has recently sold its stake in the facility to a single local authority (and the other local authority partner has also sold to the same one) because the flow of passengers and their wider economic benefits are considered so great that the local authority will subsidise the Airport in the short to medium term as necessary, and this is something we are seeing at a significant number of airports around Europe. The economic value of having RYR outweighs the loss making operations of an airport. Of course this only applies to publicly owned facilities, and only where the action can be deemed as a commercial one (so as not to invoke competition rules).

I think private airports will continue to offer the deals too, not least because many of them don’t currently have any, or many servcies and so something is better than nothing, i.e. they’re employing staff anyway to sit and do nothing, so they may aswell handle an aircraft, make a small amount of money and have additional commercial revenues. I know people are very critical of the deals that Ryanair gets, but actually even if they pay £1 to an Airport operator per passenger, this could deliver £100k plus commercial incomes (maybe between £1 and £3 per pax) and contribute to an airport operating at say a £1.3m loss rather than a £1.5m loss, and by being a good airport, over time this can start to creep up. Remember that many of these airports already ahve the fire cover etc in place because they often handle a single daily servcie from their national airline or something equally ridiculous.

The secret is to be an efficient airport and to maximise other revenues. We have just completed some work for a Ryanair airport to help give them guidance on how to move forward towards making money whilst serving the Airline, and it is possible.

Many of the Airports served by RYR will not gain services from any other airline, being realistic. Therefore their only hope of delivering passengers is to do deals on the landing charges, or else face not moving forward.

These are DIFFICULT commercial decisions.

Thats going to be interesting!

I wonder if this could lead to Job loss’s within the handling agents that Handle FR?

The number of baggage handlers per aircraft has already been reduced, and the aim to cut out more checked bags will have the same effect, so the answer is yes. But then that is a way of reducing costs still further. Not good news for baggage handlers in the medium term though.

Don’t you still need somewhere to drop your hold baggage (if applicable)?

You can currently check-in with many airliens and drop your bag off, so that is not a problem really.

At least i won’t have to turn my phone off when i get on board anymore

Yes you will, until the aircraft is above 10,000 feet the phone still needs to be turned off, just as phones with a flightsafe mode need to be turned off until the seatbelt sign is turned off. They’re fitting an illuminated sign (as I understand it) whch highlights when phones should be turned off and on.

Are you sure about that?

I only recall the ATP which I travelled on several times when they operated LGW-GCI for fellow franchisee CityFlyer Express, along with the current types, Jetstream 31/32/41 and Dornier 328/328Jet.

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You could be completely right, and the ATPs visited Manchester too. I thought I had a recollection of them operating CRJs for a short time, but maybe going completely mad.

AFAIK cloud_9, they were operated by the BA franchise Maersk based out of BHX, that then turned into Duo who then went belly up!

Absolutely correct. CRJs also appeared in BA livery operated by SunAir under their franchise with BA on services from Denmark.

ba cargo landed at stansted at 4.30am this morning so much for no night flights

As I’m sure you’re aware, STN has 24-hour permitted operations and so the BA schedule is designed around a vareity of factors because it matters less when the aircraft arrive/depart the UK. As is typical, if they move to MSE, they will ahve to work within the permitted operating hours and this will become a factor in scheduling. In almost all cases where there are night movement restictions (accepting the Heathrow movements outside of permitted hours) airlines work within the rules or else accept heavy financial penalties. There are many airports where this is the case.