JAT have been in bankruptcy for a couple of months now and have had a number of their 737s reposessed.

Well the aviation press and sources that I can search have no record of it being in bankruptcy…as I say, it all goes along with what I thought, they are simply restructuring. The airline is government owned and so is highly unlikely to go bankrupt per-se, the country is not in Europe and so can support it’s airline with unlimited funds should it wish.

Having aircraft repossessed is not a sure fire sign of an airline being bankrupt.

I’m sure you have it on very good authority that they are bankrupt. 😉

2 things still strike me as odd about it:

JAT are in bankruptcy and are handing back aircraft all over the place so a new route is unlikely, although it may explain the prescence of the ATR I suppose.

Secondly no start time is shown on that image T5 added, and there is no regular JAT scheduled service, or at least there never has been any Saturday I have visted in the last few months.

2 things strike me as odd about your post Mark L….

Firstly…since when have JAT been in bankruptcy, I certainly cannot recall any details of this, they are undergoing restructuring, but I don’t think they’re in bankruptcy as such? As far as I can tell they are still looking to expand. Furthermore just because an airline is in some state of bankruptcy does not mean it stops flying, or else United, US Airways, Air Canada and many other would have vanished off the fcae of the earth in recent years. Take the latest case, ATA in America..they are adding aircraft!

I don’t see why you cannot see a start time…what do you mean, departure time or service start date? Many airlines will not have a service start date, particularly if it runs over 2 scheduling periods, don’t forget the timetable sample is taken from the BAA summer timetable. Just because you have not seen the aircraft arrive/depart does not mean it hasn’t happened….the evidence suggests it is operating, and operating direct….for heavens sake you can book seats on the damned flight through Opodo so what are you expecting JAT to do, tell you at Check-in that they don’t operate this service but thanks for buying a ticket anyway?? Knowing how accurate OAG and BAA are I’m sure neither of them would be showing it as schedule if it didn’t exist!

OMG, I really don’t quite see where this thread is supposed to be going, or where it came from in the first place. Are we supposed to be having a discussion about these types or is it just a place for Flogger to put other people’s pictures?

Flogger, as a general member I will back up what Grey Area has said….you MUST reference pics or quotes, if need be then do as I do and just paste a link to airliners.net because the author is on there. I can’t believe people think it is ok not to reference….IT IS NOT and will never be ok not to reference! I would prefer to click on a link, it is not the same as just posting them here.

The Embraer 170 is also late on into its certification trials, I would expect an announcement on that front fairly shortly as they’ve been trialling it in various locations for quite a long time now.

Indeed from the outset Embraer have intended to certify the type for LCY, with the SWISS order being dependant on this!

Then, to fund the defecit in profits due to fuel costs they just adjust their yield management systems to make them a bit more money on the late booking fares, and make more money out of that.

BUT, why do you say that when BA also uses yield management??? Infact BA has one of the most complex yield management systems going. Before EZT/RYR started there were as many as 700+ fare levels in BA’s yield management system. They have now simplified that to match the systems used by RYR/EZY and all other airlines now.

Don’t buy that, if they can change / notify folk of fuel surcharges then they can change the fare to incorporate a total charge….

Skymonster is absolutely right, the fact is that BA’s fares have been declared to IATA for months, so changing the ACTUAL fares is the problem, not changing the booking system. These have to be in the IATA system because this then allows bookings to be made across a variety of airlines (which don’t have their own partnerships for example).

RYR and EZY do not have to declare fares to IATA and so they can simply alter the fares in their systems.

Plus Easyjet and Ryanair don’t waste money by giving away food and drinks…….

I’m sure if this was aimed at Ryanair Shamrock would have jumped at the chance to say “you don’t have to fly with them if you don’t like it”. The same is true here, what people pay for is the extra backup etc and for many the ability to book fully flexible fares..something LCCs can’t offer the business community. The fact that BA and similar need to keep seats available for these fully flexible pax is what pushes their actual fares up, and also it means that their Yield Management systems are more complex as they ahve to account for this!

I like the look, very fresh and crisp, but now runs EVEN slower than the old BAA website..!

Pressure from the environmental lobby in Europe will grow over the coming years to tax aviation – fuel seems to be their prime target area for tax. You will probably find that Airbus, Boeing and the engine manufacturers will argue for such a tax to be levied on those airlines that use older aircraft that burn more fuel than the newer build aircraft.

Actually the possibility of taxing fuel is VERY minimal, and infact in Europe we are probably going to see Emissions Charging instead (by 2008, inline with oher industries which are now taxed in this way, with airlines being assigned quotas of emissions. The ball is well and truly rolling for this, and it will be instead of fuel tax. This is a major debate in the industry, with most airlines coming forward in supprt of the idea (but personally I think this is because it will offer them a barrier to entry again for new carriers that cannot get their hands on sufficient permits…taking us back to the issue of reductions in barriers which have permitted Ryanair/Easyjet etc to do what they do).