I am trying to think where 47 was, we were 4 houses back (if going anti clockwise) from the green area on the bend with bushes. I remember Mr Bull, Mr Taylor and Mr Harwood who lived next to us.
Sorry to be silent for a day or two. I just got back from Thunder Bay (really) and am now in Spruce Grove Alberta
47 was the third house along on the left if you turned right from the little spur road from Vicarage farm road.
To get back to aeroplanes … I am at least half persuaded that your father’s theory of a glider is the answer. Either a Horsa or a Hadrian seems possible. I need to look through photos to find one that gives a view from the right sort of angle.
Thanks again.
I hope you resolve what your mystery fuselage at Heston was…I’m stumped…I was a spotter in the period 1954-1961 but don’t recall anything else …I used to help a Job’s Dairy milkman deliver to Orchard Avenue in that period, and lived about 1/4 mile away in Meadow Waye 🙂
Well you probably delivered milk to our house then – thanks for all the calcium… I remember the Job’s Dairy shop at the end of the parade on Vicarage farm Road. I wonder how many other shops names I can remember …
This thread is going off in unexpected directions…
Circa 1957 I was cycling toward St Albans past Radlett airfield and happened on this very strange looking aircraft with central fin and tri u/c.
I could not identify it in any of the recognition books I had.
Later I was able to get up closer to it when the airfield was opened for a model aircraft display and competition. I was able to creep round the inside of the perimeter of the airfield without getting stopped…quite a hike.
Mark
The mystery aircraft is basically a Halifax (propped up horizontally) and fitted with a Herald fin. It was used, I believe, for testing aerial installations
In response to Ian Sayer’s evocative list of names i offer just one suggestion that Gordon with a Lambretta might have been Gordon Perry who came from Heston and went to school in Hounslow.
I myself frequently hung around various bits of LAP between 1956 and 1961 and occasionally biked it to places like Blackbushe, Denham and Fairoaks. Old photos bring back memories!
C H Barnes reports in ‘Handley Page Aircraft since 1907’ that one of the survivors – a Mr Eric Studd – ws initially reported missing because he wandered away from the crash site and was only located the next day after he had made his way semi-concussed to Paris by boat train.
C 46 at LAP
… the camouflaged C-46 was probably the abandoned N68852 being ferried from a dump in India (and at one time parked on top of the northern tunnel entrance at LAP)….the El Al C-46s were quite common at LAP and listed in “Civil Aircraft Markings” but bare metal or white-top I think
You are probably right longshot – my memory is of an aircraft without any markings that hung around for quite a long time, so probably not El Al after all.
Thanks!
RAF Halton
I remember going to Battle of Britain days at RAF Halton several times in the late fifties / very early sixties. On the first occasion it was possible to wander among – and climb into – the various dumped instructional airframes lying about behind the hangars. I remember the lingering smells of oil, leather, crushed grass and rust (does rust smell?) as I sat in the cockpit of what I think was a Brigand or Buckmaster. Sadly, on the following visit, the hulks had RAF policemen stationed to stop us climbing aboard. Such were the beginnings of “elfin safety”, I suppose.
This thread and the LAP one are very evocative for many of us. I lived near Heathrow and spent many hours watching from the top of the Queens building as well as from the older ground-level spectators’ enclosure. The most lasting memories of LAP though are first-time spotting of oddities like the Breguet Deux Ponts observed on final approach over Hounslow or the El Al Curtiss Commando (in camouflage finish?) parked near the Pan Am hangars by the Great South-West Road.
Stop me now … I feel a monologue coming on!
Hampden leaving Radlett
The picture in question also appears on page 56 of a fascinating book called Images of Aviation – Handley Page compiled by Alan Dowsett and published in 1999 by Tempus Publishing The Mill, Brinscome Port, Stroud, GL5 2QG. Well worth getting hold of …
For anyone who isn’t already sold on James Hamilton-Paterson’s excellent book there’s a good review on
Less glamorous …
I remember the first (and probably only) time I saw a Breguet Deux Ponts lumbering in to land on one of its infrequent appearances at Heathrow. Late 1950s I suppose and – for its day – a big aircraft. Pretty small alongside a 747 I suppose?
Less glamorous …
I remember the first (and probably only) time I saw a Breguet Deux Ponts lumbering in to land on one of its infrequent appearances at Heathrow. Late 1950s I suppose and – for its day – a big aircraft. Pretty small alongside a 747 I suppose?
How about the Gloster Javelin? Having read the book ‘Empire Of The Clouds’ by James Hamilton-Patterson, it seems that the Javelin was a bit of a dog…
Although the Hamilton-Paterson book has been around for a couple of years now it might be worth mentioning that there’s a fairly recent review on
http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/09/book-review-lost-empire/ which might be an encouragement to anyone who hasn’t yet had a look at this sad but fascinating look at British aviation in the 1940s and 50s.
How about the Gloster Javelin? Having read the book ‘Empire Of The Clouds’ by James Hamilton-Patterson, it seems that the Javelin was a bit of a dog…
Although the Hamilton-Paterson book has been around for a couple of years now it might be worth mentioning that there’s a fairly recent review on
http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/09/book-review-lost-empire/ which might be an encouragement to anyone who hasn’t yet had a look at this sad but fascinating look at British aviation in the 1940s and 50s.
If there was any technology transfer it would have been the other way….Kelly Johnson publicly spelled out the advantages of a high wing-loading (with generous flaps) in a Flight article about 1943
The Fairey FC1 design dated from about 1938 though
I’ve had the book in my hands in bookshops and read some extracts which certainly change my view from the unqualified admiration I had for the UK industry’s products in the 50s and 60s when I was a mere lad! But the test pilots who were my heroes still come out of it well…
I’m hoping someone will buy it for me for Christmas…