” bet that first photo is taken somewhere in Nevada/Arizona during Red Flag or a similar excerise “

True , it was on a Red Flag we participated .

” Storm Shadow? “

Yep , thats an Italian AMX with then but dont know why the ilatians gave up of this weapon integratio with the AMX .

Man its really huge inside . Congratulation for its owners!!!

You laughed twice! 😀

Yeah but the joke was good!!!

Well first of all sorry for this double post… I will do my best not for that repeat again but I need to collect some quotes here .

No, seriously, F5M, if you are brasilian , greetings for the Barrichello’s great victory of yesterday (even if this could be helped by the fact that Schumi in this new race seemed to not understand where was the right direction to go!).

Hehe tks buddy !!! At least the second pleace on the worldhip is ours !!! 😀

I have a map and i can give you the distances: 9800km Brasil-Suoth Africa-Brasil

Wow a SAR mission in the middle of the atlantic … Serious possibility of MIA here . :diablo:

The only problem I have is the engine….if they gave it something like the EJ200 it would be near flawless for its mission.

But the fact is that, expecially the italian version (no scipio, no defa) is rougly a waste of money

I agree but would its range be affected too much?

P.S: Well if I were italian defense minister or sowthing of relevance I would do the same since Itsal alread have the Tornado and now the EF2000.. To much stuff for a country without ( as far as I know ) great ambitions on the world scenario . And if that AMX victory was that easy as Nuke said , would the americans pilot gve such a nickname for the plane? 🙂

flogger, you seems to beleive that the donkey could really fly…

Sincerly, your comments about the AMX shows immaturity and no clue of what you sayng..
If the AMX could reach south africa what it should mean? that the Brasilians had transformed them in B-1B? Or that the air refuilleing is used?
If you believe all you find on publicity of this or that without critic analistys you will neveer find objective facts, believe me.

Comon guys lets keep the good level . Well I dont have a map here but as I said with external tanks it can reach 4000kms WITHOUT airrefuelling . I think 4000km is enough to reach South Africa depdending from which part of Brazil the planes takes off . Oh just anohter important thing I forgot to say . The AMX good maneuverability was demonstrade around 1995 during Operation Tiger with US’s F16s when an AMX alone and at that time without radar beat 2 F16s . After that ( humiliating ) defeat the US pilots nicknamed the AMX as “the bee” .

According to Brazilian sources the Brazilian AMX A-1 cost USD $18 million dollars, has an Israeli built radar Elbit M2001B, can use Rafael Python 3 and Brazilain Made Pirahna MAA-1 AAMs, Mectron and Tecnasa from Brazil are building a Phased array radar for the AMX in Brazilian service and two have been already made so the jet is being updated and by 2008 the AMX upgrade is thought it will be accomplished, also the AMX can use the following ASM: Alarm, Exocet, Kormoran and a Brazilian made ASM by Avibras also has a +7/-3Gs Max overload capability
It is faster than the Su-25, the AMX`s Max speed is 1160kms and in 2003 achieved the Max range of 4000 kms the AMX is not inferior to the Su-25, however compared to the JH-7 it is smaller and has smaller warload, but it has a range as good as it with inflight refueling quit a capable little fighter

HI Flogger ,

currently the brazilian AMX~s have no radar but as soon as they get upgraded they will receive the Scipio radars and AMX have a range comparable to the F15 as soneone said me if you put on it 3 external tanks . 🙂

If recall correctly, the escape vehicle taking the chicken to freedom in the original was based on the Avro Lancaster?

HAHAHAH good one!!!!!!!:D

He cant really domuch if the elitists dont let him ud, there is a good article on the Economist about such a thing.
In any event i think that Venezuela would be better off with second hand Mirage 2000s

p.s Maybe if he came from a different neighbourhood he would not be seen as such a populist by some :rolleyes:

IM ansious to see this article at the Economist . I would appreciate if you put a link to it or at least say when it was released . By the way no matter if he went from the poor class ro not I see him as a populist regardless of its origin . Dont put words in my mouth .My president Lula came from the poors too and I dont call him populist and I thiong hes doing a good work , unlike yours and you dont even know my skin color so shut up! 😡

And yes there needs to be some measures that are a bit more populist in venezuela, with 67% of the population living in poverty most of them belonging to a certain skin colour, i am saddened to see some talking about chavez being bad and the former ones being btter, they were corrupt and served the rich wxxxx classes. The economy contracted in 99 because of lack of investor confidence and a drop in oil prices at the time. INvestor confidence is due to the chaos that a certain segment of society is causing because they arenot ahppy about a poor peasent running the country, I am not saying that Chavez is good but surely he has not had a stable gov and the real powers of the ladn have done everything to undermine him. If the rich would stop trying out the concept of coups and thent alking about democracy all the time lol, maybe Investor confidence would increase non

Ive never said the previous one were better , read my post carefully . Again I said Chavez is populist and the previous ones failed to rule Venezuela properly and Chavez isnt doing much to improve it .

If the rich would stop trying out the concept of coups and thent alking about democracy all the time lol, maybe Investor confidence would increase non

Stability is important but I thinkk the investor would be happier if Chavez go away and someone serious came