Wow suyrely in Peru the dogfights with the F18E were the hardest…and coolest!
WOw reading Castor and SeaHawk’s posts now Im totally for bying the secon hand ones!!! Specially if US give us the AMRAAMS to the F16 MLU!!:D
HI , IM brazilian and from what I read here seems like the program is dead , but nobody wants to go on public to say that . Probably we gonna lease some second hand fighters . At first I was dissapointed with that but now remebering how the military here voted on our actual president Lula ( disconsidering the forfmer pre disnts well done refomrs on the Economy) because of promisses in the area that never came into true till now ( but much did at the former one ) I fell I got my revenge !!!
Cool pics those of air 2air of the Su22 but I still prefer the F5 as I dont like ladies that smoke!!! 😉
LoMAC: Buggy game that the patch 1,02 made it worse .And the game is heavy like and elephant but if you have a nuclear powered system and dont bother trying installing uninstalling the patches then you should get it . Its graphics rocks but to you have a proper idea is the Flanker 2.0 engine improved with a few more planes for you .
Impressive toys!!! How much tanks and at what range they can deliver?
you should make a career out of that, any pantera, elkan or F-5 maneouvering harder than 6g. will have its wings doing applauses to its pilot. you know that
Hehe good one Camaro!! 😀 In fact I thik no matter how upgraded be the F5 but at close range the Mig 29 has better chances: better engine , good HMD and dexteriority . The unique things that could help the F5 would be a Python 5 and its small size which is much harder to spot thean the huge Mig 29 . At longer ranges I dont know witch would be better if the N one from Mig , the Elta or Grifo that were/ are being applied to the F5s in the region but surely the lats have better multirole capacity not sure in air to air mode . Also we have to see that ( at least the Grifo one ) are not fully used since the F5’s nose is too small
next…BVR Derby, did you ever wonder why IAF/DF doesnt have them??? they’re still buying amraams, did you know???
Yeah , AMMRAMs better they only got Derby when they though US wouldnt sell AMRAAMS for then .
what can “the best optronics in the universe” do on such an oudated and restricted and pig kind’a maneouvering f-5 airframe?
Ah dont be so severe with my love F5 . Sure mig 29 and F16 are much more maneuverable than it but F5 is too still nowadays . US uses it to teach TopGun Pilots . And F5 has a much better cockipt visibility than the Mig 21 as showed a recent article in Ariforce Monthly but probally the Mig 29 is better ( surely F16 is )
Chile and Argentina have a long dispute in who is the most “european” country in South America, you know what i mean
Well at least the chileneans are more “realistic” on it and have more things to be proud then the argentineans on the ” desired goal “
France are sending the dash-5 (doesn´t matter if its related to the bidding, Dassault knows that the battle was almost lost) which is by far more capable than the F-16s that the US will send (always F-16s from either AFRC or ANG).
Really? I was surprised when the F16 wan . I think it was a reward for the rescue of Pinochet . I dont understand why the y got the F1 . Us will likely not gie then the AMRAAMS
Since nobody here has any serious info about serviceability or number of active aircraft (normally kept well classified) of any local AF, not only Peru, I think we shall leave those out. For examples, Ecuadorian Jaguars haven’t flown for years and as long as nothing really happens, they will never be flyin again..
True but Peru’s constats notice about unservicebility makes it the champion I think
Not even prepared people to operate one…
Guys lets keep the good level! 😉
Well…it depends on what do you consider by “best equipped” AF…
There are many issues that you should have in mind. To name a few: number of active planes, serviceability, technology, type of weapons, BVR capability, IFR capability, AEW capability, etc, etc, etc…At this time, I wouldn’t vote for Peru as the “Best Equipped” Air Force in South America.
I agree with Condor . I think Peru has the best airforce on paper since many of its airforce is unavailable . I would vote for Chile as the most pwerful one then Brazil in second and Peru/ Venezuela in third and Argentine in fourth
Tks for the inputs guys!
I confess I dont know much about the L one but the AMX have some quite advanced eletronics . To have a proper idea of the AMX-M I think you should all look at the venezuelan one. I think AMX is superior to the Su25 ( SU-39 IM not that sure…their IR jammer is cool!!) not in payload but in equipments , it has onboard jammer , colored MFDS can carry antiship missiles , lot of internal spaces for future upgrades and 4000km of range ( with 3 external tanks ) and air refuleling , good agiloity ( better than A4 , A7 and F5 at low altitudes ) .Also the AMX-M has an interesting onboard equipment for training pilots like the ALX has
Interesting , the peruvians use half underground shelters for their planes
Those indian jet ttainers are really cool!!!
“This Fighters will become the most modern and letal Air Weapon System in South America continuing with the leadership in systems of the FACH in this region.”
I don´t think so. Brazil are upgrading its fleet of fighters, acquiring a brand new one (I hope the Flanker which is more than a match for F-16s).
Venezuela is upgrading its fleet of F-16s and have more than 20 years experience on it. Peru has a respectful fleet of fighters and even Argentina with its A-4AR Fightinghawk (Mini F-16) which is still very capable. Also, ten jets is a very small number.Regards,
I think A29 is right . OUr F5M is pretty modern ( maybe the F16 radar is better tha it not sure ) . But if the chileneans relly upgrade thier F16 with Israeli EW as they said before…
Well it only makes sence doesn’t it? There can be no peace in the world as long as there are military weapons and we need military weapons to defend ourselves, what with human nature being what it is, we always want more and will kill to get it
Well I have the impression that the non existence or when all sides have equal military power than we well probably have no war . And even if at the beginning all sides starts having non weapons on a peace agreeament there is an incentive for someon being “smarter “and getting it in secreat and using then . Thats what in Economics we call Nash’s solution ( the same Hollywood made a movie about ) !
Tks for all inputs guys!!!