What do the Britishers have a Queen for? Let Hers be the decisions what toys Her ships carry! 😀
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Its the new Royal Yacht we have hear 😀
pretty much all of them are useful but I like NSM, Tac Tom, Scalp Naval.
another option would be the Harpoon derived SLAM-ER which could be cannister mounted like the present Harpoons.
d is the only one which is plausible unless you can cram any of the others into a A70 launcher
Tststs!!! Forget about that A and B versions – go for Cs only! Everthing else will blow the programme.
the C version hasn’t even been built yet so it could be riddle with the same problems of the other two versions
my vote is
B
C
The reason why I don’t think that 20mm Phalanx is completely inadequate these days is its inability to defend against massed attacks. It is designed to kill the target by directly hitting it, which means that one turret has to stay on target till destruction, and given it’s rather smallish engagement envelope (outer edge > inner edge) it might well be busy with one single missile all the way through this envelope, giving the others a free ride.
Thus the reason why I favour 35mm Millennium is its ability to put a lead cloud in the flightpath of a target and then switch to the next, giving it true multi-engagement capability, but at the same time its ability to stay on a target till destruction. And that is something a missile like RAM can’t do (basically it doesn’t matter which missile, it’s a basic characteristic of missile-CIWS). You can never be sure to destroy a target, as long as the missle hasn’t exploded it (and even then it might not have effected the target enough). This results in the need to fire multiple missiles to be sure (even with high single-kill probabilities). Thus you can’t go for neither missile OR gun alone, you need both.
Other questions for CIWS design are placement of turrets/launchers and sensors, and stand-alone capability/survivability.
For a number of reasons I strongly believe that sensors and turrets/launchers should be seperated (bit not exclusively with centralized C2, like the Russians do/did). Of course a system like Phalanx is easier to install, but it’s the quick’n-dirty solution.
For a distributed CIWS solution to work and survive it has to be battle damage tolerent, meaning distributed, networked, independent C2 and data network (e.g. fibre optical, incl own power supply) and local power supplies for the turrets/launchers to keep going even after the ship loses main power. As this is just an emergency configuration, it could be designed for only limited duration (20/30 minutes?), running off power packs (preferably batteries). No idea how far this is already done, but I think even Phalanx is connected to the ship power grid (for sure RAM) and doesn’t have its own integrated supply.
the massed attacks arguments very difficult to justifies as there has never been a massed anti-ship missile attack ever the only time ASM have been successful has been when critical systems have been off line and the vessel hasn’t be expecting an attack. Massed attacks are only plausible from the PRC and Russia and possibly India would have enough assets to plan track and pull off such a difficult operation. So by planning your last ditch defense on something that is very unlikely seems unfordable so i would want to move to a RAM/typhoon systems for close in attacks and CWIS. as both are based on systems already in service.
to add more fuel to the the fire
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Farms-tass.su%2F%3Fpage%3Darticle%26aid%3D56932%26cid%3D25&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ru&tl=en
Batch contract for the modernization TAKR “Admiral Gorshkov” may be revised and will be 3.4 billion dollars
sorry its a translated artical
In 12-16 years we need replace Garibaldi with something.
Possible a common italian-uk program or the requirement are to different?
Something similar to LHA-6 design?
not such a bad idea as the joint programs with Italy tend to be good EH-101 comes to mind.
Also we have far less issues with Italy compared with France :rolleyes::D
No, a brand new CVF costs almost twice as much. £1.9 billion. Pounds vs. dollars. But it’s 50% bigger, has a smaller crew, costs less to operate – etc., etc.
damn it completely forgot about dollar pound exchange rate:o
$1.95 billion for a refurbished old carrier isn’t a bargain price. What do you think a similarly equipped new carrier of the same size would cost? A new ship, of new design, would be cheaper to operate & maintain, & likely to last longer, both of which should be taken into account when deciding what is, & is not, a bargain.
to put that figure into perspective that is the price of one Brand new CVF which is better in every way.
also tonnage is not reflective of the capability’s 45,000tons is large but it has half a hanger. Its got a massive superstructure on the flight deck it got the worst lifts [position wise] compared with any carrier in recent memory. the ship is hasn’t got a large beam so there is limitied space for aircraft movement’s. a terrible design. which is being attempting to be made into something its not.
Its amazing that India bought an aircraft carrier from a countries which has less experience with carriers than the Indian Navy. IN had its first carrier was in 1961 while the Kiev class only came into service in 1978 and wasn’t even a full carrier.
I believe that a lot of the newer warships have mounts for miniguns on each side of the bridge. I believe the british Type 23 and T45’s have this. They also carry various other machine guns that can be mounted around the ship.
in the warship program on 5 they had Gatling guns in .5 on board Lusty as well as CWIS and 30mm cannon
And there in lies the problem, they’ll raise a stink but probably be vague about where the money will come from.
Prior to the last gen.elec they were bemoaning the retirement of the first 3 Duke class and stated they would reverse the decision, but never commited to how they would pay for it. I think the words “efficiency savings” were used somewhere….:confused:
efficiency saving makes me think of a culling of heath and safety quangos
This is what he plans – Livre Blanc – English version
interesting ive only skim read it but the thing which most interesting for me was a formation of Joint pool of Aircraft from both MN and AdA in the manner of JFH with the Air force in overall control
Wanshan
Gee thanks! 😎
As I understand it the launchers and the magazine handling gear are going to be landed presumably held as spares for the remaining GWS30 ships. Which does make sense as, otherwise, you would still have to deploy WEA’s with GWS30 skillset just in case something broke on the unused, but still powerful, machinery. Wonder if they’ll land the 1022 and, at least, the after 909 arrays too?!.
Cant see the spaces being modified into anything useful (apart from additional stores space – perhaps) simply as I dont see anyone spending any more money on these boats. Wouldnt mind a swap draft on to one of them though….got to be good contenders for a West Indies deployment soon!.
Fedaykin,
There was a cracking photo of a LWSW launcher firing on the wall of Sherval Divisions messdeck at Fisguard Sqdn back at HMS Raleigh. Unfortunately I didnt think to try and pinch it!. The Bristol Aerospace Collection at Filton have an exhibit with a LW SeaWolf mockup and, as part of another project, I’ve asked them if they have a couple of images that they may be willing to send over?.
they are the stubby T42 which are being effected by the change so it could have the side effect of improving the sea keeping of the hull
True, the number of RAF requiring aircraft would be very low, but how difficult would it be to have a few RAF boom operators train alongside USAF crews?
It would give the RAF much more flexibility for domestic and coalition operations for a comparatively trivial cost, given that an EADS boom for the KC-45 is already well on the way to being developed.
Edit: It might also be an important consideration when the F-35 comes into service, or is the F-35B being developed with a retractable probe? If not, then the RAF is displaying very poor future planning.
yup the F35B has a very nice retractable probe