topspeedAnd some people seem to forget that a certain Mr Darryl Greenamyer managed a blistering 988mph, or about 1600km/h in an F-104 in the extremely dense air at sea level. (or rather, 60ft altitude);)
A record which still stands today.
He’d actually gone faster on an earlier effort, but one of the timimg cameras malfuntioned, making the higher speed of 1010mph not valid.
As mentioned by others, the F-104 set world speed records over mach 2, and was considered the first operational fighter capable of mach 2.
Which makes certain peoples claims that “it wasn’t fast” or “wasn’t capable of mach 2” a little disconcerting.;)
There is some physics involved here..a 6½ metric tonne machine ( empty ) just cannot go mach 2 with 733 kg/m2 wingloading with 69 kN force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
Mig-21 was 5 tonnes empty with similar powered engine and had mach 2.23 top speed had only 384 kg/m2 wingloading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
Mirage III is pretty close to Mig-21 with 393 kg/m2 wingloading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Remarkably went mach 2.2 with just 60.8 kN force ( less interference drag due to delta wing ).
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Popular Mechanics hit again INSERT from wiki ( F-104 ); But surprisingly, artists working for various magazines came up with drawings very close to the actual design. A drawing in the Popular Mechanics, August 1954 edition was very close to the actual design.[6]
topspeedDuring intercepts it did but your are correct when range endurance is an issue.
Maybe some are surprised but the F-104 still surpasses a F-16 high up and above Mach 1. A 750 kt limit was kept in peace-time to prevent stress and damage from heating.
That is the top speed of F-100.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/F100corseweb.jpg/800px-F100corseweb.jpg
topspeed31.5 km was attained just by huge acceleration from 24 km to 31.5 km; http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1015&context=aerosp
topspeed30-40 km ?
topspeedAnd some people seem to forget that a certain Mr Darryl Greenamyer managed a blistering 988mph, or about 1600km/h in an F-104 in the extremely dense air at sea level. (or rather, 60ft altitude);)
A record which still stands today.
He’d actually gone faster on an earlier effort, but one of the timimg cameras malfuntioned, making the higher speed of 1010mph not valid.
As mentioned by others, the F-104 set world speed records over mach 2, and was considered the first operational fighter capable of mach 2.
Which makes certain peoples claims that “it wasn’t fast” or “wasn’t capable of mach 2” a little disconcerting.;)
Okay but in level flight at any altitude in “warmode” it went nowhere near mach 2.
topspeed:rolleyes:
Okay weapons and wing tanks stripped in a dive and then straight mach 2.1 !
How did they get to 31 KM…using rockets to boost ?
topspeedIt was extremely fast for it’s time.
It was the first mach 2 fighter in service.
It did not go mach 2.
Chinese two seater trainers go Mach 2; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
…and Mirage III Mach 2.2; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/dassault_mirage_iii.pl
topspeedAs Levsha has pointed out, it wasn’t designed to be a dogfighter.
Korea saw pilots ask for more speed and a better climb rate.
This the F-104 provided.
It would have been used in slash and dash attacks, trading altitude for speed, and speed for altitude, and repeat.
It’s design points entirely toward that.
Time and hindsight has shown the Mirage III to be a better all round, balanced design, but the F-104 was designed to a set goal.
It was faster than F100..but not extremely fast.
Not without 578 kN from RATO;
It is the smallest ac to go with 650 kN force right ?
😎
topspeedF-104 has fully laden 733 kg/m2 wingloading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
How could that possibly go into dogfight ?
topspeedthe term “buffeting” is ill-chosen in tht case. More sensitive to wind gust is what they shld hve say.
As wing area increase, variation of total lift is less damped by the weight of the airplane. Also, bigger wing means increased wet surface that means more time to regain the speed lost in wind gust.
Hence, basically your plane oscillate more in the vertical and horizontal plans as the wing is bigger for a given thrust and weight.
Okay…i figured something wasn’t right in that comment.
I think F-104 was not invented to do dogfight like this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFO-jQ1Iutk
topspeedWhy is the wing buffeting in Mirage; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/dassault_mirage_iii.pl
topspeedGreat shot of a Ca-27 (Avon Sabre with 30mm Aden Canon)
They were said to be the higher flying Sabre
2x A-4s need a MLU.
😉
topspeedCri-Cri jet 0.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri
Acrostar BD-5J 1.1 kN; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/q-branch/…nijet.php3
Gloster E.28/39 3.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
He-178 4.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Temco TT Pinto 4.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto
SAAB 210 4.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_210
Eclipse 400 4.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..0 to 5 kN planes
He-162 7.85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162 ( e-seat )
Fouga Magister 7.84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
Eclipse500 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
Handley Page HP.115 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_HP.115
Diamond D-Jet 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_D-Jet
Yak-15 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
T-37 9.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
PZL TS-11 Iskra 9.81 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra
Soko G-2 Galeb 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2_Galeb
Aermacchi MB-326 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_MB-326 ( 2 e-seats )
He-280 11.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
Citation Mustang 13 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang
XF-85 Goblin 13.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin
ARES 13.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES ( E-seat )
Bird of Prey 14.2 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey
DH.100 Vampire 14.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
SAAB 105 15 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_105
Avro 707 16 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_707
Hongdu JL-8 16.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
DH.108 Swallow 16.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108
Aero L-29 Delfin 17.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
Me-262; 17,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
Arado 234 B-2 17.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
P-59 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
FJ-1 Fury 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-1_Fury
Cessna Citation I 19.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_I
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………5 to 20 kN planes
Folland Gnat 20.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat
Helwan HA-300 21.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300 ( MACH 2.1 with 48 kN using AB designed by Willy Messerschmitt )
Supermarine Attacker 22 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
BAE_Jet_Provost 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
Fiat G.91 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
Boulton _Paul_P.111 22.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_P.111
Hawker Sea Hawk 23.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk
Canadair CT-114 Tutor 23.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor
P-80 24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-…oting_Star
LearJet24 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_24
Alpha Jet 26.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet
F9F Panther 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F9F_Panther
Mig-15 26,5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
F-86 26,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
SAAB-27 Tunnan 27.5 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
BAE HAWK 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
F2H Banshee 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F2H_Banshee
Dassault Mystere 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Myst%C3%A8re
LearJet45 31 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_45
Gloster Meteor 31,2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
Kawasaki T-4 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_T-4
White Knight 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…ite_Knight
F-84 32.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…nderstreak
Mig-17 33.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17
T-38 Talon 34 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon
XB-43 Jetmaster 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-43_Jetmaster
A4D Skyhawk 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
F-9 Cougar 38 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar
A4F Skyhawk 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
LearJet_60 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_60
Dassault Super Mystere 44.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Su…st%C3%A8re
F-5 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
IAR-93 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-93
Fairey Delta 44.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Delta
Hawker Hunter 45.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter
PZL-230 Scorpion 45.6 kN; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w…zl-230.htm
Grumman F-11 Tiger 46.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger
Super Enterdard 49.5 kN; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/super_etendard.pl
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………20 to 50 kN planes
YAK-130 50 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
Il-28 53 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
F7U Cutlass 54 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F7U_Cutlass
M-346 57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
Bombardier_300 60.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300
Mirage III 60.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Bristol 188 62 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
YAK-38 64 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38
F-7 64.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II
Chengdu J-7 64.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
Sepecat Jaguar 65 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar
SAAB-32 Lansen 65.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen
Guizhou JL-9 66.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
Südaviation Vautour 68.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Mitsubishi F-1 71.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-1
XB-51 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_XB-51
Mig-21 69,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
F-104 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
F-102 Delta_Dagger 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
F4D Skyray 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
F-100 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…uper_Sabre
Mirage F1 70.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_F1
Nanchang Q-5 73.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
Shenyang J-6/F6 73.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
Kfir 79.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
J-35 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
TA-50 Golden Eagle 78.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
Jas J-39 Gripen 80 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
F-8 Crusader 80.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
A-10 80.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II
A-6 Intruder 82.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
F-CK-1 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo
Hongdu L-15 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
JF-17 84.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
HAL Tejas 85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas
Dassault F7X 85.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_7X
B-66 Destroyer 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_B-66_Destroyer
SU-9 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-9
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Su-7 94.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-7
Mirage 2000 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
Martin RB-57D Canberra 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57D_Canberra
SU-11 96 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-11
Backburn Buccaneer 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer
Avro Vulcan 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..50 to 100 kN planes
A8-Harrier II 105 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV-8B_Harrier_II
DC-9 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9
F-105 Thunderchief 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…underchief
F-106 Delta_Dart 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart
SU-17 109.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17
A-3 Skywarrior 110.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A3D_Skywarrior
MIG-27 112.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-27
J-37 Viggen 121 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
White Knight Two 122.76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…Knight_Two
BAE 146 ( AVRO RJ ) 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146
YAK-28 Brever 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
Super Caravelle 124.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravelle
Mitsubishi F-2 125 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
MIG-23 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
F-16 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…ing_Falcon
J-10 130 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
J-8 137.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8
Mirage IV 141 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IV
English Electric Lightning 142,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………100 to 150 kN planes
Dassault Rafale 151.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Gulfstream_650 150.4 kN; http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g650/…ations.htm
F-101 Voodoo 150.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-101_Voodoo
A-5 Vigilante 152 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…_Vigilante
Panavia Tornado 153.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
Sukhoi_Superjet_100 156 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
F117 Night Hawk 157.4 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117A_Nighthawk
F-18 158 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…-18_Hornet
F-4 Phantom II 158.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…Phantom_II
F111 159.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
Mig-29 162.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29
MD-82 164 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80
Eurofighter Typhoon 178 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
Xian JH-7 182.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Tupolev Tu-16 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
Mirage 4000 190 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
JSF F-35 191 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…ghtning_II
Boeing B-47 Strato Jet 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
Airbus 318-100 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
F/F-18 Super Hornet 195.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-…per_Hornet
LA-250 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-250
Myasishchev M-55 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
TU-128 198 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….150 to 200 kN planes
Mig-25 200 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-2
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow 209 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
SU-24 219.6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24
F-15 220 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…F-15_Eagle
F-111 224 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
YAK-141 235,4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141
SU-30 245.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
SU-27 245,6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhoi_Su-27
F-14 247.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
SU-33 251 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33
J-11 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#J-11
SU-34 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
Shenyang J-15 270 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
TSR-2 273.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2
B-58 Hustler 277.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler
SU-47 284.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47
A-12 288 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12
SU-37 290 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37
DC-8 298.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….200 to 300 kN planes
SR-71 302 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Convair YB-60 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60
Mig-31 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
B-2 308 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gr…B-2_Spirit
YF-23 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
F-22 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…-22_Raptor
PAKFA 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
TU22 324 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Concorde 338 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
MIG-39 ( Project 1.44 ) 354 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
J-20 Chengdu 360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Myasishchev M-4 372.8 kN; http://www.airvectors.net/avbison.html
Y20 412 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-20
TU-22M 490.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
DC-10 534 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10
B-1 547.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer
B-52 608 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Sukhoi T-4 628 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 640 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
C-5 Galaxy 760 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
XB-70 Valkyrie 768 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…0_Valkyrie
Boeing_747 836 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747
TU-160 980 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160
Airbus A380 1360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380
An 225 1377 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
You can now place the VR in there with 15.3 kN engine and 27.3 kN ( with rockets ). Just remember this is 3500 kg Mtow kite.
topspeedLAST UPDATE !?
I think I am done with this now.
Latest update is 2.3 times bigger engine and leavin out 2 outa 4 MBDA MICA missiles from concealed bays.
So this diminutive fighter with 2 x 6 kN rocket boosters could have power to weight ratio of 1.62 and average with just turbofan of 0.62.
Ceiling could be as high as 40 km. Can you imagine..1.8 times more punch than D-21 at 11 km higher !!?
:rolleyes:
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Edit: correction….the engine is 15.1 kN..still double sized to previous ( power to weight drops to 0.5 ).
317 KG dry the PW535A; http://www.easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/engines/EASA-TCDS-E.048_(IM)_Pratt_and_Whitney_Canada_PW530_series_engines-03-28042008.pdf
topspeedJH-7A
…man it beats Eurofighter Typhoon and just shy of TU-160 in power !
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